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UK: Couple flee to save their unborn baby from social workers('she's not bright enough 2B a parent')
The Daily Mail (U.K.) / various ^ | November 7, 2009 | Alison Smith Squire

Posted on 11/07/2009 12:02:06 PM PST by Stoat

Kerry Robertson, 17, and Mark McDougall, 25, had been told that she was not bright enough to raise their child and that they would have to give him up.

It was another blow for the couple, whose wedding this year was halted just 48 hours before the ceremony in a row over whether Miss Robertson was intelligent enough to marry.
 

Miss Robertson, who is 29 weeks pregnant, has since been told the couple will be allowed only a few hours with their baby - a boy they have already named Ben - before he is taken into care and placed with foster parents.

Desperate to keep their family together, the pair fled their home yesterday for a secret safe house.


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A family law expert said: 'If Miss Robertson gave birth in Fife and then fled with the baby, after the local authority had got a care order, she would be liable for child abduction.

'But by fleeing while pregnant, Miss Robertson has not broken any law, as far as I'm aware.

'If she has her baby outside the jurisdiction of Fife council, they no longer have any power to take the child into care.

'Rather, they would have to locate her and alert the relevant council who would have to apply for a removal order themselves.'


 


 



 

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; england; greatbritain; uk; unitedkingdom
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Already HERE!


21 posted on 11/07/2009 12:34:27 PM PST by Equalizer (The Bible is our guide.)
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To: Stoat

Tyranny is what happens in a country without a Second Amendment...ooops sorry, without a Constitution.


22 posted on 11/07/2009 12:40:53 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Stoat

When my son was due we attended some birthing classes at the hospital. One of the couples in the class were clearly retarded. You had to worry about the kid’s future, and yet they actually seemed like they were going to be much better parents than a lot of other people.


23 posted on 11/07/2009 12:41:17 PM PST by wideminded
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

you’re too conservative to have children. not enough empathy. how soon before government health care makes that proclamation?


24 posted on 11/07/2009 12:42:08 PM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: Adventure gal; JimWayne; All
She may be dumb, but it seems like she and her husband outsmarted the officials by fleeing before the baby was born

Indeed, although it may be a short-lived victory unless they are able to settle in a place that has different laws.

One sad aspect of this matter is that the father has stated that he would take responsibility for raising the child, and a 'grandmother-to-be' has stated that she would raise the child as well.  These options were rejected because of the judgment that the woman does not understand what marriage means and so they are not allowed to marry.  Without their being married, the father would not be allowed to raise the child, nor would the grandmother.....the only option allowed would be of taking the baby from the family entirely and placing it into an unrelated foster home which, as Jim Wayne mentioned above, could even be a homosexual 'couple'.  This is deemed by the Government as being the best route.

A heart-wrenching situation all 'round.

25 posted on 11/07/2009 12:51:52 PM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

liberals have 50% of their babies, and the government doesn’t qualify them as being too stupid.


26 posted on 11/07/2009 12:57:30 PM PST by sten
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To: Stoat

Of course, in Obama’s re-education camps, the scale will be much larger, and the taking of children based on religious beliefs rather than intelligence.


27 posted on 11/07/2009 1:04:12 PM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Stoat

“Without their being married, the father would not be allowed to raise the child,...”

Why the heck not? Don’t fathers have rights in England? What if the woman died giving birth? It’s his own child, I don’t see why he wouldn’t have 100% rights to that child.

What am I missing here?


28 posted on 11/07/2009 1:19:06 PM PST by jocon307
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To: carjic

We have Washington DC full of people that aren’t intelligent enought to be there, maybe we could send them all to England and let their social service take them and find a place to warehouse them..


29 posted on 11/07/2009 1:20:04 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Kirkwood

wow...top 1% never knew I was so intelligent...now if only I could be smarter...


30 posted on 11/07/2009 1:24:49 PM PST by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: alexander_busek
unable to grasp the actual meaning of the term "marriage,"

Well, she obviously was able to "grasp" something! :)

31 posted on 11/07/2009 1:25:35 PM PST by Free State Four (a)
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To: jocon307
“Without their being married, the father would not be allowed to raise the child,...”

Why the heck not? Don’t fathers have rights in England? What if the woman died giving birth? It’s his own child, I don’t see why he wouldn’t have 100% rights to that child.

What am I missing here?

Whatever you may be missing, it seems that I am in the same boat.  I believe that in the matter of divorces, fathers are 'occasionally' given custody of a child, and sometimes a baby, when the woman is shown to be unfit, as well as in the case of the death of a mother as you have said.  Since the father has apparently not been shown to be legally unfit due to any other reason than his not being married to the mother, it is all a rather baffling, convoluted matter, and it seems that the Government's greatest wish in this case is to remove the child from the family entirely.

Just astonishing.

32 posted on 11/07/2009 1:48:23 PM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Jaidyn

Good comment.


33 posted on 11/07/2009 1:52:01 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Stoat

Weird. Dumb people have rights too. Why do they think they can take away her child? Without any evidence of maltreatment or anything?

F-ing Communist. Dictating everything.


34 posted on 11/07/2009 1:54:36 PM PST by Gurgi
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To: Stoat
"Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

Buck v. Bell.

35 posted on 11/07/2009 2:26:01 PM PST by decimon
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To: carjic

God has blessed me richly. 4 children, 12 grands, 3 great grands and another on the way. I’ll be 65 in June if I make it. I’ve been married since I was a baby.


36 posted on 11/07/2009 2:31:39 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: Gurgi; manc
Why do they think they can take away her child?

From what I have read of the matter so far, it seems that the Government is acting entirely upon its judgment that the only thing that is valid is the certificate of marriage, which, being lacking in this case, renders the child a ward of the State regardless of the fact that there is an apparently legally-competent father who is willing to raise the child as well as a legally-competent grandmother.  These aspects of the matter are not considered relevant because of the lack of the marriage certificate.

I had thought that a 'social services' agency is one that is tasked with helping to do what is truly best for society...finding a human solution to a matter when the law may be unclear or inappropriate for a complex circumstance.  It seems that in this case, the 'social services' should be renamed as a law enforcement agency as it appears that they are only considering the strict interpretation of the law from only one viewpoint...that of the State.

I don't know how legitimate this South African blog is, but it raises interesting questions and concerns as to the motivations of an apparent incentive to social workers in increasing adoption numbers.  If the assertions made in this blog are even partially true, it certainly raises troubling concerns.  Perhaps our friend Manc is familiar with the notion of 'incentives' for social workers placing more and more children into the adoption / foster home system?

Britain stealing children for higher adoption numbers Fromtheold

 

37 posted on 11/07/2009 2:43:29 PM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: decimon
"Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

Buck v. Bell.

WOW - interesting article thank you for posting.

From your linked page:

Sterilization rates under eugenic laws in the United States climbed from 1927 until Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535 (1942). While Skinner v. Oklahoma did not specifically overturn Buck v. Bell, it created enough of a legal quandary to discourage many sterilizations. By 1963, sterilization laws were almost wholly out of use, though some remained officially on the books for many years. Virginia's state sterilization law was repealed in 1974.

38 posted on 11/07/2009 3:00:47 PM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

Fifty years ago, much because the Nazis were considered right-wing, the U.S. eugenics movement was often called a right-wing phenomenon. Today, many conservative writers are calling it a left-wing or progressive or whatever thing. I think the truth may be that too many groups had a hand in it to call it anything but government overstepping its bounds.


39 posted on 11/07/2009 3:14:54 PM PST by decimon
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To: Stoat

Despair: Kerry Robertson is 29 weeks pregnant by Mark McDougall and the couple have already named the unborn child Ben. She 'out of her mind with worry'

40 posted on 11/07/2009 3:30:54 PM PST by rawhide
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