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To: GovernmentShrinker
But if martyring himself has been a long-term goal of his, 1) he took an incredibly long, difficult, roundabout route to it, and...

The 9-11 crew took eight years to complete their plan as I recall.

2) he failed ...

He failed? Shooting 48 people killing 14 is failure?

...(and also missed the opportunity to score points for Allah at the much higher profile Walter Reed).

Did someone tell you jihadis are smart?

When people are losing their minds, they often turn to a more radical form of whatever general religious background they have, but they’ve still lost their minds. And even if they already subscribed to a radical brand of religion, they can still lose their minds as a separate step.

So, what you are saying is that normal jihadis have no mental problems.

...it appears to me that his motive was probably more to avoid getting sent to Iraq or Afghanistan where he might get killed, and less to take a martyr's shortcut to Paradise.

Yeah, that makes sense. He was afraid of getting killed overseas so he commits a suicide mission in Texas. Some logic you have there.

107 posted on 11/06/2009 6:35:21 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: TigersEye
The 9-11 crew took eight years to complete their plan as I recall.

Hasan had at least 10 years, all INSIDE the US military -- 4 at the Uniformed Services medical school (which almost certainly involved some rotations at Walter Reed and other military facilities), and 6 years of residency and fellowship at Walter Reed.

He failed? Shooting 48 people killing 14 is failure?

Yes, he failed. He's not dead, he did not achieve martyrdom, he's in US military custody. 13? 14? I'm having trouble keeping up with the growing count. But slaughter on this scale is achieved on nearly a weekly basis in the Middle East, by young men with grade school educations. And virtully all of them manage to blast themselves off to "Paradise" in the process. If you seriously believe in this crap, that's a critically important part of the plan.

Did someone tell you jihadis are smart?

This one was. He has a bachelor's degree in biochemistry with honors from Virginia Tech, and a medical degree from the Uniformed Services medical school.

So, what you are saying is that normal jihadis have no mental problems.

No, in fact I said twice that religious radicalism and mental disorders can occur in the same person, in either order. Sanity is difficult thing to define, but if you define it as being capable of keeping yourself focused on your objectives, and pursuing them in way that is actually likely to achieve them, then yes, lots of jihadis are quite sane. The choice of objective is another matter, though it doesn't take nearly as much disordered thinking to choose this objective when you've grown up totally immersed in it, in a country where it's closely intertwined with the dominant belief system, and where your parents sent you to a madrassah where you were brainwashed from a tender age to believe this is all real and makes sense, than for someone who grew up in Virginia with prosperous restaurant managers for parents and attended American public schools K-12 and then Virginia Tech.

111 posted on 11/06/2009 7:08:45 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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