Posted on 11/06/2009 7:12:24 AM PST by marktwain
All the more reason to get these a-holes liberals out of office ASAP!
The Col is correct - FedGov law is the culprit.
Come on MarkT - the guy is a JAG for petessake.
It’s the same here at Elmendorf AFB/Ft Richardson.
(Rolls eyes)
“Weapons on bases, be they a issued weapon or a personal owned weapon have always been subject to restrictions. Can’t think of a time in the last 100 years where they haven’t.”
Yes, the above is true. What is important is that the commander chooses the restrictions, which may be draconian (no weapons on base except in locked armories) or commonsense (weapons on base must follow state law). The commander has wide latitude in this case. It is political correctness that is pushing commanders to restrict all carrying of firearms.
I believe that you are both mistaken. I worked with my JAG here to draft our base firearms policy, and the policy here allows people to have guns in their vehicle as long as firearm is in a locked container.
At least three JAG attorneys that I have talked to have said that base commanders have the authority to simply default to state and federal law rather than to impose more restrictions with base regulations.
In addition, nearly all state and local laws have exemptions for military personnel.
or the fed forces/soil could adhere to the 2nd Amendment ???
base security is important, but FReedom has costs...Id rather deal with those, than allow a murderer to go unchallenged...
I’m not even going to comment...I am furious beyond words.
Forget the firing squad, and let this bastard muzzie swing. Hanged by the neck until dead. Like a common criminal.
And if any folks KNEW something was fishy with this bastard, then they are just as guilty.
Just frigging BOILING over this, brothers...
To end any guessing I have included a link to Ft Knox Regulation 210-1, CONTROL OF FIREAMS AND WEAPONS. http://www.knox.army.mil/garrison/dhr/asd/regs/r210-1.pdf
Below is Para 2-3, a. from that regulation:
“Per the provisions of 18 USC 930a, firearms are prohibited in all Federal workplaces when such notice is posted at each entrance. The sign at appendix B (FK Label 2 10-1-1 ), when posted at each public entrance to a facility or activity, will serve as notice required by 18 USC 930a. Any person entering such a posted facility possessing a firearm will be in violation of 18 USC 930a and subject to apprehension.”
I have worked at Ft Knox for 25 years and yes I do have a concealed carry permit, and whether I carry or not is up to you to speculate.
Precisely as I have been saying. Notice that what you have is a post regulation, specific to a particular post, not to the military as a whole.
It’s long past time for carrying of a sidearm when wearing ACUs to be made optional for officers and NCOs, even here in CONUS.
only trip onto Ft Knox was shortly after 9-11...anyhow, we went to the Patton Museum, and I thought it was 'next to' the base... we followed the signs and I had an "oh SH!T" moment as we came to the gate...
several guards at the checkpoint, and I and the missus both had sidearms... I politely informed the guard to the situation, figuring to be turned away, but he simply replied to one of the others that 'Bonnie & Clyde' were entering the gate...
after unloading and stowing the pistols, we were waved thru to drive to the museum...we coulda stopped and re-armed if we chose to anywhere we pleased...
I still wouldntve wanted to tangle my .357 vs their m4s though...lololol...
Fifty shot before anyone put rounds on Muslim terrorist.
Gun free base another gun free zone disaster.
Base spokesman said all privately firearms have to be registered at base. I thought this was cleared up earlier.
However the US Code states: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000930——000-.html
§ 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e)
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
They sure do not make it easy do they? Have a great day and stay safe out there. (I am off today and getting some honey-do taken care of)
“Per the provisions of 18 USC 930a, firearms are prohibited in all Federal workplaces when such notice is posted at each entrance. The sign at appendix B (FK Label 2 10-1-1 ), when posted at each public entrance to a facility or activity, will serve as notice required by 18 USC 930a. Any person entering such a posted facility possessing a firearm will be in violation of 18 USC 930a and subject to apprehension.”
I’m a JAG - we’re responsible in part for enforcing the reg. It’s still stupid.
Colonel, USAFR
The weapon restrictions for the navy bases in this area have been around for a number of admiistrations.
Yes, the law itself is pretty stupid, but it does not preclude carrying weapons on a military base. Great latitude is available to the base commander. He can authorize any of the men under his command to carry, or he can authorize anyone with a concealed carry permit to carry under the exceptions, as below:
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
That commanding officers have not uniformly done so does not mean that they do not have the authority to do so.
Interesting interpretation - those exceptions look to me to apply to military security forces and military members who are engaged in firearms training or maneuvers, but I could make the argument that “authorized by law” includes licensed CHL holders...hmmmm....
Colonel, USAFR
“Interesting interpretation - those exceptions look to me to apply to military security forces and military members who are engaged in firearms training or maneuver”
Do you really think that a base commander would be acting outside of his authority if he ordered all officers to carry sidearms as a security measure? They have all been qualified, at one time or another.
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