Posted on 11/04/2009 8:25:01 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
So what? Does time heal words uttered such as Huxley did? Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto ~25 years before Huxley wrote his words. By your reasoning time has sanitized Marx more than Huxley on the basis of time elapsed.
OTOH Henry Madison Morris (who died only THIS century)believed the natural state of the descendents of Ham was as hewers of wood and drawers of water.
Hmmmm describes something I've done too. I clear land with a buzz saw (hewer of wood), and I maintain my aquariums to this day and I routinely draw water. Are you implying that I should feel insulted? Ever done any real manual labor in your life?
If you have a problem with what Morris said or wrote, post a thread about it. Until then the topic is Huxley and you might want to try to stay on topic.
It appears that there is light arriving here that originated millions ... or even billions ... of years ago. If this is so, then all Young Universe Creationists are in error.
I prefer to discuss the astronomical discrepancies between the standard scientific view and that of the Young Earth Creationists because it is less emotionally charged.
A case, albeit a poor one IMHO, can be made that a belief in evolution necessarily leads one to lose a sense of the special dignity of Mankind and our relationship to our Creator. However, I can't see how one can make any case ... however poorly thought out ... that believing that supernovae are indeed billions of light-years away from Earth leads to the same sense of loss.
It would seem that we at FR that share so many opinions in common could come to a consensus on why it appears that light is just now arriving on earth that seemingly originated billions of years ago. Is it because:
1. It was actually generated billions of years ago as most astronomers believe.
2. It was created only about 6,000 years ago, but in such a way that it appears to be billions of years old. (See Omphalos hypothesis)
3. There are some errors in our assumptions or calculations. Maybe the velocity of light has changed over the millenia as some have suggested. (See Starlight Problem or c-decay)
If we can't all come to some sort of consensus with regard to the astronomical data, then it seems that reaching a consensus on the geological or biological data is entirely hopeless.
If the YEC community were to come to a consensus that a 13.5 billion year old universe is not counter to anything written in Genesis, then maybe it might make some sense to start focusing on biological evolution. But until such time, the YEC community needs to make a better case for how the data we have been gathering for hundreds of years jibes with a ~6,000 year universe.
Thanks for the ping!
Is that what I said, and if so, tell me why think so.
Are the evos predictable or what?!
There is an odious undercurrent of anti-Catholic bigotry at FR. Many posters in fact deny the Christianity of Catholics.
With their nice red uniforms!
I agree that the subject provokes strong emotions but unless it did why would anyone bother? And I venture, consensus is greatly over valued and should be treated like a wooden horse found just outside the gates.
So according to your twisted interpretation of Scripture the Catholic Church's endorsement of Theistic Evolution and practicing Catholics and those other believers in Jesus Christ who accept various versions or degrees of evolution are not Christians? Who made you the judge? Perhaps with your unique insight into scripture you can explain Matthew 7:1-2 to we heathen Catholics.
If the former, then I retract my question. If the later, then I'm still asking.
People who believe Evolution do not believe Jesus Christ. Any church what ever the stripe: Catholic, Protestant, et. al., that does not believe Jesus Christ is not Christian. Pretty simple concept. Are you prepared to be judged by Jesus Christ as to whether you believe Him, or not?
Perhaps with your unique insight into scripture you can explain Matthew 7:1-2 to we heathen Catholics.
For the record you have just referred to Catholics as heathens, not me. Maybe it is you who needs a lesson in judgment.
Thank you for revealing that you are part of the lunatic fringe.
Jesus Christ, Himself, is God and He is the Creator of the Universe (John 1:1-5) The finger of God wrote the ten comandments (Exodus 31:17 & 18). The finger of God wrote that he created the entire universe in 6 days. The word for "day" which appears in the 10 commandments is the same word used in the Old Testament in >400 other places to indicate a 24 hour day.
Man (Adam) according to Jesus Christ was created male and female at the beginning of creation (Matthew 19:4). The generations from Adam to Christ are recorded in Scripture and are known.
Jesus Christ attributed his credibility to the writings of Moses. (John 5:46) Moses scribed the Creation accounts found in Genesis, the generations accounted for in genesis and the 10 commandments as they appear in Exodus.
The question is: do you believe Jesus Christ? The six day Creation account is the Creation of the entirety of the Universe. If you believe Jesus Christ is there room for any more time than Scriptures, which are His, give account? p>
An thank you for affirming the obvious fact that you do not believe Jesus Christ.
Maybe in your next phone call with Him you can tell Him, but I don't think He will take that call. He and I are pretty tight and I'm pretty sure He didn't subcontract any part of His job to you.
Not "tight" enough to take Him at His word it appears. If you don't believe He has in fact subcontracted His job in this world to Christians to be His Witnesses, you are not nearly as "tight" with Him as you claim to be. If you were, you'd already know what He requires of you. The first thing he requires is that you believe Him
I won't stand in the way of your desire to be judged by Him according to Natural Law.
Theistic Evolution is an oxymoron. “Theistic” means God intended (ID). but “Evolution” means no one intended.
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