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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
"That appears to be an intentional evasion designed to frustrate the discussion and engender hostility."

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Tacticalogic, having just arrived on this thread and tracked back to BB's Darwin quotation, it looks to me like you had/have your "offense antenna" "set to maximum gain". Darwin said what he said; why would you expect BB to give you more than that?

Having said that, I have often observed that the understanding of folks during Darwin's time of the fossilization process and the conditions necessary for fossilization was, to be kind, rudimentary and sketchy compared to present knowledge in that area. Frankly, as a physical chemist, I am amazed that we have as many fossilized remains as we have.

For example, pH of the soil and percolating fluids has a major effect on preservation of organic structures. Here in the acidic soils of the East Texas Piney Woods, survival of organic remains for any substantial length of time is extremely rare.

For example, Caddo Indian burials are often revealed only by soil discoloration marking the grave excavation, presence of ceramic "grave goods" vessels, possibly beads where a belt might have been, and sometimes a cluster of arrow points close together and facing the same direction. Of the human remains, little is left but a stain in the soil, plus, sometimes, a few teeth. (BTW, we assume that the arrowpoints represent arrows in a quiver -- but there is usually no "fossilized" wood, feathers, or leather to confirm that assumption...)

As an example of the rapid dissolution of human remains here, I (as a Texas Archaeological Steward) am working on the homesite and gravesite of Texas Senator Robert Potter, who was murdered in 1842. In 1936, for the Texas Centennial, Potter was exhumed and moved to a place of honor in the Texas state Cemetery in Austin. Those who performed the exhumation and relocation recorded that there was little to move -- aside from a few teeth, some very soft and fragile fragments of bone, some scraps of cloth, and a few buttons -- after less than a century in the ground. We will consider ourselves very lucky if we find any remains at all of Potter's young daughter, who, a year earlier, was buried nearby.

Did the Potters exist? Certainly. We have his wife's memoirs and State records to tell us so. But, there are certainly no "Potter fossils" or "Caddo Indian fossils".

Fossils are very special cases of preservation; special and very rare. Anyone who expects to build a continuous record of evolution/development based on fossil records is in for a long and frustrating search...

So, yes, Darwin's comments touched on his evolution theory -- and they also touched on geology...about which Darwin knew relatively little...

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Does that still leave you frustrated and offended?

72 posted on 11/03/2009 8:13:19 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA
Having said that, I have often observed that the understanding of folks during Darwin's time of the fossilization process and the conditions necessary for fossilization was, to be kind, rudimentary and sketchy compared to present knowledge in that area. Frankly, as a physical chemist, I am amazed that we have as many fossilized remains as we have.

I'd think that would be intuitive. The quote from Darwin appears to be lifted out of context, and used to imply that Darwin refuted his own theory based on not finding a consistent progression of transitionals in the fossil record. Not wanting to discuss it after having submitted it makes it appear calculated to establish doubt.

74 posted on 11/03/2009 8:49:20 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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