Posted on 11/02/2009 8:03:34 PM PST by Alter Kaker
But no one asserted "right before your very eyes", speaking of "disparaging" projections. And it's indeed the very demand you people make or did you forget the part about all of life originating from a single-celled organism and branching out into all life forms?
I believe in God. You believe in a book.
Cute. If you believe in God, then it should follow that you would believe in His Word. That pesky little book that you seem so ready to discard is nothing less tha His Word to us.
And don't forget to keep in mind that even the first forest will, in most cases, had to have grown on top of what YECs themselves consider to be "flood deposits".
You have a strange mind!
You have a strange mind!
???
It's pretty simple. Young Earth Creationists believe that much to most of the fossil bearing geologic strata were deposited by the (single, global) flood, i.e. Noah's flood. So any fossil forest that has fossil bearing rock layers stratagraphically beneath it, if it grew in place, must either have grown in place during the global flood, or at the very best, grown in the short space of time since the flood. But even that won't work if there are "flood" deposits also stratigraphically above it.
For instance the stacked fossil forests at Specimen Ridge in Yellowstone (some 27 distinct forests!) are Eocene in age -- right in the middle of the flood on the classic Morris-Whitcomb model -- and underlain by supposed "flood deposits". How would even one forest grow in the midst of Noah's flood, let alone 27 grow and get buried in succession?
This is exactly why your fellow YECs, however implausibly, deny that most incidences of upright fossil trees, and fossil forests, and certainly those at Specimen Ridge, grew in place.
Is it possible you really don't grasp the difficulty in your position?!
Get an IQ!
Yellowstone is volcanic, and displays much the same kind of geology at the recent Mt St Helens eruption. Stacking during a series of eruptions can happen in days, weeks or months easily.
You are grasping at straws as usual.
Aha! Finally you grasp the problem. And now you are going to adopt the very position you dismissed as absurd just upthread, when you, mistakenly, thought it was the "evolutionist" explanation. But you'll pretend like nothing happened and I'm the one who was confused and clueless, throwing in your usual nasty little gratuitous insults as a smoke screen.
Yes! Classic! And very amusing!!! I give it a 9.4. Half a point off for flubbing the dismount.
Yellowstone is volcanic, and displays much the same kind of geology at the recent Mt St Helens eruption. Stacking during a series of eruptions can happen in days, weeks or months easily.
Sorry. Doesn't work. The vast, overwhelming majority of trees buried by the Mount St Helens eruption were buried in place.
As to the model you apparently have in mind -- the trees carried downslope and deposited at the bottom of Spirit Lake -- only about 10 percent were buried upright. Over 50 percent of the fossil trees in Specimen Ridge are upright.
Also, the "stacking" at the bottom of Spirit Lake is a mishmash. At Specimen Ridge you have distinct fossil soil layers, with intact roots in the soil layer, overlain by, say, conglomerates, and/or water laid volcanic ash, then another distinct fossil forest above that, with it's own undisturbed fossil soil layer, overlain by high energy sediments like conglomerates, etc. There is NOTHING like that within the sediments from the SINGLE volcanic event at Mount St Helens. Specimen Ridge is a record of two or three DOZEN Mount St Helens', with new forests growing between each, and being newly and separately buried.
What doesn't work is your brain.
Forest floor piled on forest floor in volcanic eruptions is the norm, but it has never been observed any place that is not volcanic.
Deliberate confusion is your specialty? (or do you even realize that you're doing it?)
Nope. Sorry. Neither volcanoes, nor associated flooding, can deposit clays and fossil soils. Clays are very LOW energy deposits, and paleosols have to form in place, and take many decades to do so.
but it has never been observed any place that is not volcanic.
Wrong again. Fossil forests are, I'm given to understand, fairly common. In addition to being formed by volcanoes, they also form in subsiding swamps, river deltas and river flood plains. (There could well be other environments I'm unaware of.)
The link I gave you upthread included examples of non-volcanic fossil forests, and even examples of non-volcanic fossil forests currently forming, e.g.:
For example, the coast of Nova Scotia has a marsh which is sinking, and burying the trees in it. Wood buried in such marshes is almost immune to rot. This is happening because there are regions all over the world which are sinking, or rising.
...and...
An example of this is a burrow pit near Donaldsonville, LA. When they excavated backswamp clays to rebuild the adjacent levee, they uncovered three levels of upright cypress forests buried on top of each other beneath the recent floodplain. These polystrate trees are buried within recent Mississippi River deposits that are only 4,000 years old.
Even though I picked a page for you that was short and easy to read, you apparently didn't bother to examine it. Or, if you did, your standard issue YEC Fact Repeller was working to spec.
Full of crap again! - How surprising.
Take your hype for a walk, it needs to be aired out.
God revealed himself in that book, and nowhere else.
I am not bound to a book written by man. It's a great book but I don't worship it.
You only have man's word that it is the Word of God.
Please keep the language civil. And, no jokes about disabled veterans.
If you believe that the Bible is the work of men, then you do not believe in God. You believe in a god of your own creation.
I don't worship the word of man. Why do you?
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