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Ma. man fired from job over Christian belief in traditional marriage
massresistance.org ^ | 11/02/2009 | n/a

Posted on 11/02/2009 5:17:21 AM PST by massmike

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To: MaxMax
> This guy needs to sue the "F" out of the company for 1st amendment violation, and employment violations. The thought police needs to be shut down bluntly!

Ahh, but same-sex marriage is legal in Mass, giving the employer now grounds to declare language opposed to legal norms "hostile" in the private workplace. First Amendment arguments are now more difficult.

Conservatives not wanting to join the battles of cultural warfare must take note of this. It is not enough to say, "I don't care for gay marriage myself, but what is it to me if the state allows gay marriage. It won't affect me."

It will affect you, as the Brookstone case illustrates. Another place where this will have a huge secondary effect is in the public schools, where teachers in states with special homosexual rights laws will now be COMPELLED to teach and indoctrinate a pro-homosexual world view, and students will be COMPELLED to echo that view, and FORBIDDEN to voice contrary views.

Homosexual rights laws have sweeping effects.

41 posted on 11/02/2009 6:04:50 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: joe fonebone

You are very wrong. All he did was state his opinion! Nothing more! His termination isn’t justified by ANY facts available in the article.


42 posted on 11/02/2009 6:06:31 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: massmike

Next time I’m there I’ll be sure to stop by that store and let them no that I oppose this “same sex” mock of marriage as well, and that I object to this firing and will be not buying from any Brookstone outlet any more.


43 posted on 11/02/2009 6:07:52 AM PST by bvw
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To: joe fonebone
company policy was very specific here...

- Company policy does not equal law.

- Law does not equal right.

You've got to clear these two hurdles before you can convince us that we should just keep silent about right and wrong.
44 posted on 11/02/2009 6:08:01 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: massmike

Gotta love that tolerance!


45 posted on 11/02/2009 6:08:24 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: TruthBeforeAll

“The correct response should have been ‘good luck’.”

Wrong, no where under ANY law (or corporate policy) is it forbidden to respond, when pressed, with your opinion!


46 posted on 11/02/2009 6:10:40 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
"You are very wrong. All he did was state his opinion! Nothing more! His termination isn’t justified by ANY facts available in the article."
3 little words.........at will employee....i do not agree with his termination, but it is justified...i have walked this political minefield before, and although unfortunate, he did violate company policy....like i stated, he was set up. I can only hope he learns something about corporate politics from this...the lesson is, if someone wants to play games with you, just don't play
47 posted on 11/02/2009 6:23:08 AM PST by joe fonebone (I am racist, hear me roar....I don't give a crap anymore....)
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To: massmike

This is life in Amerika as the libs envision it. From sea to shining sea of people terrified to ever express their true thoughts.

Welcome home, Obambi and friends.


48 posted on 11/02/2009 6:24:29 AM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: joe fonebone
...“your personal business is your personal business, and i do not wish to hear about your personal life”

Would you answer that way if the woman instead was saying she was having an abortion that afternoon, killing her child not to mention wounding herself? I feel it's never good to cower from the devil, as long as you state things in a kind and Christian fashion, which the man in this article was doing. He took a "hit" for being Christian. While the Brookstone higher-ups gave it a full thumbs down, God, however (the Ultimate "higher-up"), loves that sort of thing.
49 posted on 11/02/2009 6:26:27 AM PST by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: stevio

READ THE LETTER. It has the Human Resources Managers Name, phone number(with direct extension.)


50 posted on 11/02/2009 6:27:32 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: joe fonebone
his termination, although severe, is justified.

"In accordance with company policy" is not the same as "justified." Company policy may be evil. If it is, market forces should be brought to bear.

51 posted on 11/02/2009 6:32:17 AM PST by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

“Wrong, no where under ANY law (or corporate policy) is it forbidden to respond, when pressed, with your opinion!”

Yes, but he wasn’t specifically asked for his opinion. He was led into giving it. That’s what put him in jeopardy.

If, after she said she was “marrying” a woman, he simply said, “well, good luck” (not “congratulations”), he would have been okay, and at the same time gave her a hint of his position. Plus, my guess is that “good luck” would have ticked her off and she would have eventually just asked him his opinion. Which would then put him in the clear.

But hey, he’s just a kid, and he’s learned a great lesson here. It’ll probably be one of the best learning experiences he’ll ever have.


52 posted on 11/02/2009 6:36:02 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll (To liberals if something is a complete and utter disaster, it's because there's not enough of it.)
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To: LearsFool
Good point.

According to some, she had a right to pester him, but he had no right to respond.

"Legal" is like the speed limit and I can express when I disagree.

53 posted on 11/02/2009 6:38:16 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: Sloth; massmike

From their website. (They say they don’t discriminate in their hiring but I don’t see many older people working there. No Muslims either.)

MORE ABOUT WORKING FOR BROOKSTONE
Equal Employment Opportunity
Brookstone is committed to Equal Employment Opportunity as a matter of Corporate policy. We provide equal opportunity to all applicants and Associates without regard to race, color, religion, sex, national origin, ancestry, marital status, age, veteran’s status, sexual orientation, or the physical or mental disability of qualified individuals.

Harassment
Brookstone is committed to a healthy, safe, and productive workplace that is free of harassment and unlawful discrimination. Additionally, all associates receive regularly scheduled training on Brookstone’s harassment policies and procedures. All our Managers participate in training to help them maintain a workplace free of illegal harassment and discrimination.

Introductory Period
The first 90 days of a new Associate’s employment is considered an Introductory Period. It is an opportunity to determine if a mutually beneficial relationship exists between the Associate and the Company.

Training and Career Development
It is Brookstone’s belief that training and career development are critical to both the Associate’s personal and the Company’s growth.

Brookstone offers multi-dimensional training programs for Associates through our Brookstone University.


54 posted on 11/02/2009 6:38:45 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: mlizzy

COWER FROM THE DEVIL????!!!???... This is a policy issue for a business....if you wanna go this way, alright....this kid did not cower from the devil, kudo’s for him...but he paid a price for confronting the devil, he lost his job..with all due respect for you and your religious beliefs, you are an idiot....


55 posted on 11/02/2009 6:41:58 AM PST by joe fonebone (I am racist, hear me roar....I don't give a crap anymore....)
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To: Sloth
"In accordance with company policy" is not the same as "justified." Company policy may be evil. If it is, market forces should be brought to bear."
You, sir or madame, are very insightful, and most definately well educated. I wholeheartedly agree with you, and the market is a strong force ( the only force for a business ) I commend you..
56 posted on 11/02/2009 6:44:28 AM PST by joe fonebone (I am racist, hear me roar....I don't give a crap anymore....)
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To: massmike

Man-woman marriage is NOT just a “Christian” belief. Almost every religion views marriage this way and I believed it before I became a Christian.


57 posted on 11/02/2009 6:45:14 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mlizzy
I feel it's never good to cower from the devil, as long as you state things in a kind and Christian fashion, which the man in this article was doing.

Dealing with this sort of thing requires wisdom... keep in mind Christ's admonition "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." and recall when the Pharasies tried to entrap him, he did not respond with a direct answer to their attempt, but with "let those who have not sinned cast the first stone". So, sometimes confrontation is not the correct action. But, as I said, every situation requires wisdom.
58 posted on 11/02/2009 6:48:02 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll (To liberals if something is a complete and utter disaster, it's because there's not enough of it.)
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““Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

I believe this is a foretelling of AIDS.”

Really??

A minority of AIDs victims are heterosexuals and innocent children.

How do you explain why straight people and children received a “due penalty for their error”?


59 posted on 11/02/2009 6:51:56 AM PST by Salmonslayer
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To: MrB

““Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

I believe this is a foretelling of AIDS.”

Really??

A minority of AIDs victims are heterosexuals and innocent children.

How do you explain why straight people and children received a “due penalty for their error”?


60 posted on 11/02/2009 6:51:59 AM PST by Salmonslayer
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