The concept of intelligent design is not limited genetics. Your example of bicycles and airplanes are significant examples of intelligent design. The bicycle and airplane are a product of intelligent design. Intelligent people have been given credit for designing those products. In order for you to refute the concept of intelligent design you must demonstrate that the bicycle and airplane came from no where and there was no intelligent designer of the the products. To date you have not understood ID unless you actually do believe that airplanes and bicycles appeared from no where with no designer involved. Additionally you will need to agree that the if there was a designer the designer was not intelligent. Your reference to dog breeding essentially suffers because without intelligent design those breeds of dogs would never occur by natural selection. If you have taken a genetics fruit fly lab you would clearly understand what happens to dogs and fruit flies that have undergone intelligent design and allowed to return to natural selection. If you do not enjoy the history of participating in a fruit fly lab it easy to get the point, observe the neighbor dogs off spring when intelligent design is no longer imposed on the breeding process. This is only an attempt to further your understand of ID and is not a personal attack. If you wish to continue the discussion it would be agreeable if you were to drop the name calling (â€idioticâ€) and personal attracts. I believe it is ok on these forms to disagree but not to be disagreeable. If these ground rules are not to you liking then we should do other things with our time.
Is it fair for us to assume that english was not your birth tongue?
You appear to be way, WAY out of your depth here. Your contentions are devoid of any research or logic and really do sound like a 15 year old’s refutations. I don’t mean to offend, but that’s the way I see it.
Note: Airplanes and bicycles do not produce offspring. I know it was used as an example of a progression of a “kind,” (to use a creationist term), but it wasn’t meant as a direct correlation.
You seem hung-up on the idea that human-led selective breeding is so-called “Intelligent Design” and therefore changes in allele frequencies through time do not happen naturally, as a result of undirected selective pressures. I’m sorry, one does not follow the other. Not even close.
This is also idiotic...
“In order for you to refute the concept of intelligent design you must demonstrate that the bicycle and airplane came from no where and there was no intelligent designer of the the products”
And I will explain to you why.
Only if the concept of intelligent design is that intelligent agents can design and create objects would the examples of humans making bikes and planes be evidentiary support of that concept.
If the concept of intelligent design was only that intelligent agents can design and create objects, nobody would disagree with it; as we all know that intelligent agents can design and create objects.
However the concept of I.D. is a LOT more than just the idea that intelligent agents can design and create objects. But you know that of course... don’t you?
Still no citation for you assertions that you at first tried to claim you didn’t say. What is the matter? Trouble backing up your claims? Typical.
Going to go back to claiming you never said it again?