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1 posted on 10/26/2009 8:56:51 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 10/26/2009 8:57:58 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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"And if selection merely preserves the pre-existing information, then what do either of these processes have to do with Darwinian evolution, which needs brand new advantageous information to select?"

Obviously, these processes support Darwinian evolution. They merely reflect its sophistication. Surely, the pre-existing information is not preserved intact every time fertilization occurs, and certainly mutations will occur providing brand new advantageous information from time to time.

"What this science shows is exactly what one would expect if creatures were engineered by a Creator, rather than being evolutionary products of the natural universe."

What this science shows is exactly what one would expect when creatures are engineered by a Creator, Who employs the natural universe as a means of implementing His will.

The theories of evolution are mankind's best attempt so far to comprehend the way God has chosen to create His creatures.

He has chosen to water the land by causing the sun to raise water from the oceans and the wind to blow it over the land and to cause it to precipitate as it passes over the land. To suggest that this method somehow contradicts the fact that God has caused it to be is downright silly.

The more we struggle to understand just how He has chosen to create the world--moment by moment, as it is destroyed and re-created (Shiva-Vishnu-Brahma)--the more we are forced to stand in awe of His majesty and His methods of creation.

3 posted on 10/26/2009 9:34:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (29% of Americans think news organizations get the facts correct? No wonder we're in such a mess!)
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Once again, Lyin' Brian Thomas MS* rears his ugly head.

It is as if each generation was programmed to have variation, and that variation had strict limitations—limitations that would preclude Darwinian evolution.

False statement, Brian...but nice use of the term "programmed", insinuating a "progerammer" of which there is zero evidence. Crossover is nothing new and I bet you have no clue what the synaptonemal complex is. Crossover does not preculde evolution, Brian, it ensures higher genetic variability and lower coefficients of inbreeding. Mutations still occur, Brian.

Realistically, if horse legs exist at all, they existed from the very beginning.

Wow....such insight in a false claim.

OMG....large proteins and enzymes actually regulated things.....stop the presses!!!! Man wlked the Earth with 100+ species of meat eating dinosaurs!!!

What this science shows is exactly what one would expect if creatures were engineered by a Creator, rather than being evolutionary products of the natural universe.

False conclusion, Dr.....I leave the next 2 false conclusions alone.

5 posted on 10/26/2009 10:40:23 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Brian Thomas M.S. * must have been asleep when they discussed crossing over in his basic bio class.

Here is part of the abstract he forgot to include:

We show that CO number and distribution are controlled on a chromosome-wide basis at the level of DNA double-strand break (DSB) formation by a condensin complex composed of subunits from two known condensins: the C. elegans dosage compensation complex and mitotic condensin II. Disruption of any subunit of the CO-controlling condensin dominantly changes DSB distribution, and thereby COs, and extends meiotic chromosome axes. These phenotypes are cosuppressed by disruption of a chromosome axis element. Our data implicate higher-order chromosome structure in the regulation of CO recombination, provide a model for the rapid evolution of CO hotspots, and show that reshuffling of interchangeable molecular parts can create independent machines with similar architectures but distinct biological functions.

6 posted on 10/26/2009 11:58:32 AM PDT by Wacka
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"However, new details of a common cellular genetic shuffling process called “crossing over” reveal a tightly controlled system that operates under strict parameters and requires highly specified cellular machinery.",

Tightly controlled does not mean error-proof and in no way diminishes the possibilities of successful mutations.

You need to be more careful in what you choose to post in support of your positions. My advice is to continue to critically read past the part where you find a nugget that you believe supports your conclusions.

12 posted on 10/26/2009 12:42:23 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

Pseudoscientists often reveal themselves by their handling of the scientific literature. Their idea of doing scientific research is simply to read scientific periodicals and monographs. They focus on words, not on the underlying facts and reasoning. They take science to be all statements by scientists. Science degenerates into a secular substitute for sacred literature. Any statement by any scientist can be cited against any other statement. Every statement counts and every statement is open to interpretation. - Science and Unreason, Radner and Radner


26 posted on 10/26/2009 6:41:56 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Except that it's already been observed.
39 posted on 10/27/2009 12:23:15 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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