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To: Hot Tabasco
I am irritated because this Obama individual let it get out of hand because a) he would not do the recommended action at the time so many of us called for--if you visit the FR archives at the time you will recall--because it would have been "politically incorrect" (i.e. seal borders with Mexico where it broke out, completely); and b) laughed it off with some kind of lame joke about a horse out of a barn.

Now he has let it escalate to this point, and suddenly he goes to a national emergency? Then it all started with the little Mexican boy with his panicked illegal alien parents driving him 1/2 way across Texas to get him help; he dies in a hospital upon arriving. It just spreads and spreads.

That is why I am angry about the 1,000. That is a lot of people, real human beings, in my book. Same goes for all those thousands of Americans killed by illegal aliens, also due to open borders. Those aren just statistics, it is streams of Americans crying over their loved ones' open and closed caskets. I think these are just convenient deaths for our American government for an even larger, horrendous evil. (Open borders and loss of fundamental freedoms).

257 posted on 10/24/2009 10:03:59 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: AmericanInTokyo

an execellent post :)


271 posted on 10/24/2009 10:11:46 AM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
That is why I am angry about the 1,000.

You usually make sense.

Seasonal Flu deaths in US normally near 36,000 per year. No one is discounting 1000 deaths. The departed were hopefully loved and will be missed by their loved ones. Most realize that 1000 flu related deaths are not out of the ordinary. People die every year from the flu and complications.

276 posted on 10/24/2009 10:13:44 AM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps"

Great tag ...

288 posted on 10/24/2009 10:20:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Election2010:Difference between"Yeahh!We Did It!" and"Oh well. See you in the camps"AmericanInTokyo)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Death Rate of Regular Seasonal flu and Swine Flu compared

In 2003 the CDC starting claiming that 36,000 people a year died from regular flu. This number is constantly compared to the current pandemic to persuade people not to “panic” or be concerned. Where did this number come from?

According to twenty years’ worth of “cause of death” reporting data from the National Center for Health Statistics of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, influenza is the official cause of death for an average of 1,263 people in the United States each year. Indeed, the CDC’s most recent official tally of death by influenza indicates that only 849 people died of influenza in 2006. These very low numbers would seem to contradict the often cited figure of “36,000 flu-related deaths per year” in the United States, which appears on the CDC’s own web site.”

The 36,000 number comes from statistical modeling; comparing pneumonia or other similar deaths in the winter and summer. It is not derived from numbers of people known to have died from flu, or people tested for flu, or even generalized lists of people dying from flu. Additionally, 95% of flu deaths are of people above the age of 65, and most are even older. They are people who are already near death from others causes, seem to get sick with “something” and die.
On the other hand, the people really dying from swine flu are mostly younger people, many of who are perfectly healthy. It is true that swine flu is easier to catch as no one has ever had it before and therefore has no immunity to it.

Here’s a quick ‘snapshot’ of the numbers though.
http://www.lungusa.org/site/c.dvLUK9O0E/b.4061173/apps/s/content.asp?ct=67648

CAUSE OF DEATH INFLUENZA

1979 604
1981 3,006
1983 1,431
1985 2,054
1987 632
1989 1,593
1991 1,137
1993 1,044
1995 606
1996 745
1997 720
1998 1,724
1999 1,665
2000 1,765
2001 257
2002 727
2003 1,792
2004 1,100
2005 1,812

Apparently 36,000 influenza deaths per year in the U.S.A. is a myth that has been repeated so often it has been accepted as fact. However, according to the CDC’s own data, they can only confirm an average of 1,263 deaths due to influenza per year from 1979 through 2006.

This seems like a pretty fair account of how the CDC got caught up with the 36,000 figure.

http://www.slate.com/id/2218367/pagenum/all/

This is from the CDC’s website. So when someone quotes 36,000 deaths send them here:

How many people died from flu during the 2007-08 season?

Exact numbers of how many people died from flu this season cannot be determined. Flu-associated deaths (which have laboratory confirmed influenza), are only a nationally notifiable condition among children; however not all pediatric influenza deaths may be detected and reported and there is no requirement to report adult deaths from influenza. In addition, many people who die from flu complications are not tested, or they seek medical care later in their illness when flu can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. However, CDC tracks pneumonia and influenza (P&I) deaths through the 122 Cities Mortality Reporting System. This system collects information each week on the total number of death certificates filed in each of the 122 participating cities and the number of death certificates with pneumonia or influenza listed as a cause of death. The 122 Cities Mortality Reporting system helps gauge the severity of a flu season compared with other years. However, only a proportion of all P&I deaths are influenza-related and, as noted, most flu deaths are not lab confirmed. Thus, this system does not allow for an estimation of the number of deaths, only the relative severity among different influenza seasons. For the 2007-08 season, the proportion of deaths due to pneumonia and influenza was higher than the previous two years, but was similar to the 2004-05 season.

www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/season

In the U.S.A. the official flu season is six months long. Is that about right? So, if we really did have 36,000 annual deaths from “seasonal” influenza, that would be an average of 200 flu deaths per day for six straight months. Statistically, some days at the beginning and the end of the flu season might have zero deaths and some days at the peak of the season might see several hundred deaths. Wouldn’t several hundred flu deaths in a single day be newsworthy?


302 posted on 10/24/2009 10:29:01 AM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“With seasonal flu, 90 percent of fatalities occur in people 65 and over .............

The disease control centers also released data it complied from 27 states on hospitalizations and deaths from laboratory-confirmed swine flu since Sept. 1, which the agency is treating as the beginning of the 2009-10 flu season. More than half the hospitalizations — 53 percent — were of people under age 25. Only 7 percent were of people over the age of 65.

(((((“This is really, really different from what we see with seasonal flu,” Dr. Shuchat said, describing it as “young person’s disease.” The same disparity existed in flu deaths, she said. Only 12 percent of the people who died of swine flu were elderly. “With seasonal flu, 90 percent of fatalities occur in people 65 and over,” she said. )))))

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/health/policy/21flu.html?_r=1

Doctors Told to Give Flu Medicine Promptly

Published: October 20, 2009


315 posted on 10/24/2009 10:35:55 AM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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