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To: Erik Latranyi
There is only one reason capitalists engage in government influence and payoffs, etc......that is because the gov't can affect their business.

Oh, horsecrap. Try reading both past history and current events. Folks like you who think corporations can do no wrong are useful idiots for those corporations, quite frankly.

11 posted on 10/24/2009 5:17:48 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Oh, horsecrap. Try reading both past history and current events. Folks like you who think corporations can do no wrong are useful idiots for those corporations, quite frankly.

I never said corporations can do not wrong.

Don't lie about me because you are a big-gov't, pro-regulation closet liberal.

Don't like it when I put words in your mouth, do you?

The fact remains that you cannot refute the premise that corporations would not care as much about government if government could not affect their bottom line.

16 posted on 10/24/2009 5:40:52 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: dirtboy
Oh, horsecrap. Try reading both past history and current events. Folks like you who think corporations can do no wrong are useful idiots for those corporations, quite frankly.

At some point, whoever is in power will abuse it. The difference is that when corporations abuse power, there's usually a check and balance, whether it be lawyers, govt, or media, to rectify the situation.

The problem with a govt with too much power is that it has limited check and balances, especially if the govt controls the media and individual liberties such as gun ownership.

I think the article misses the important concept of a middle ground. A strict moral authoritarian govt is as undesirable as a strict amoral unauthoritarian govt. On one hand you have the Taliban, and on the other hand you have hedonistic Europe. Both will fail.

I think America is unique in that it had (maybe still has) found the perfect balance between a culture of individual freedoms and a culture of Christian morality. The Christian work ethic was a perfect fit for capitalism and the antidote for the resultant "pursuit of luxuries."

I do not believe that capitalism can survive without this unwritten Christian ethic. Without this ethic, morality is replaced with a written set of "thou shalt nots" that codifies the behavior of every minutia of our lives. As a result, no longer can business transactions be trusted with a handshake or a mutual understanding. Instead lawyers and juries decide who wins and loses.

This realization is why I switched from being a libertarian to a conservative.

18 posted on 10/24/2009 5:42:42 AM PDT by foobarred (My post is less racist than your teleprompter.)
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To: dirtboy
Oh, horsecrap. Try reading both past history and current events. Folks like you who think corporations can do no wrong are useful idiots for those corporations, quite frankly.

No what is pure horse crap is this notion that their is this evil capitalist cabal out there manipulating everything to the determent of the "little guy" That is total Marxist manufactured myth. Corporations are nothing but collections of stock holders. They exist to maximize profits. Since Das Capital the Marxists have manufactured this myth of "evil capitalism" that has been successful exploited by the Leftist politicians ever since as their fraudulent threat they are defending the "little guy" from. All the corporations are doing is paying the Big Government thugs protection money to be left alone

19 posted on 10/24/2009 5:43:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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