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Since you copied whattajoke, Agamemnon, and count-your-change in your assertions, I'll copy them in my reply.

How far back did you have to go to come up with those quotes from me, GGG?

Oh, wait. I know the answer to this: all the way back to May 6, 2009. Almost 6 months ago.

Let's look at the "worst" of what I've posted, that you were able to dig up from 6 months worth of postings:

GGG posts brainless YEC claims which promptly get ripped to shreds by multiple people.

This is a factual statement, and one which (unlike a great many of your own postings) DID NOT ATTACK YOU PERSONALLY. It attacked the content of what you were posting (which by the way, consisted of some brainless YEC claims that promptly got ripped to shreds by multiple people).

“By continuing to post this crap...”

Again, a statement about some of the nonsense you've posted, NOT a public personal attack on you.

“Personally, I will NEVER waste my time with you again...”

And why should I, when you 1) post nonsense, 2) routinely engage in ugly personal attacks including all kinds of name calling, and 3) can't be reasoned with, even if it's just to lay off of the ugly and unnecessary personal attacks?

On the next one, let's include the entire quote in context. I said:

I understand why this is often the situation in cases like yours. Your "christian faith" probably depends on a belief in young earth creationism, or at least you think it does. You're afraid that if you accept the proposition of evolution, your faith will crumble.

So your faith is weak. That's okay. But it's not a good reason to browbeat other people with it, or to claim that people who don't believe quite like you do aren't Christians at all.

When I said, "your faith is weak," that was an honest assessment. From what I can see, you believe that if you were to stop believing in young earth creationism, it would damage your faith in God. From my perspective, that looks like weak faith. I personally don't think God is afraid of the scientific truth. I don't think he's afraid of people concluding that he didn't hand-created earth and its inhabitants in 6 literal days. And I don't think God made it look like the world is billions of years old just to confuse and mislead us. I think God can handle the truth.

Even here I was trying to reason with you and persuade you to behave in a Christian manner - an appeal which fell completely on deaf ears. To repeat:

So your faith is weak. That's okay. But it's not a good reason to browbeat other people with it, or to claim that people who don't believe quite like you do aren't Christians at all.

Let's go on:

"It would be a good idea for you to stop posting this nonsense.”

This was in response to you posting some stuff that contained (among other things) the following quote:

People are just too well nourished these days, and thus have optimally maintained immune systems, for microbes to attack more than just the fringes of the ever growing human herd.

Frankly, that was an astonishingly ignorant statement; and all the more so by virtue of having been made by a scientist.

Once more, I attacked the content of your post (which was nonsense, and in this case dangerous nonsense). Unlike you have done many times to me, I did not attack you personally.

To continue:

1) You're incapable of even reading it.

Ah, so after trolling through SIX MONTHS worth of postings, we FINALLY arrive at the first (and apparently only) thing you found that (at first glance, at least) could be considered a public personal attack. But let's look at the full context again:

I should mention that the authors of the book [unChristian] are avowedly, devoutly, and full-time Christian.

But... I'm wasting my breath, for at least 3 reasons.

1) You're incapable of even reading it.

By this I obviously did not mean that you're illiterate. I meant that your attitude, as expressed in our previous conversations, is such that you would never read something that might threaten your preconceived notions.

Frankly, my purpose was to goad you into reading something that might help you become more of a Christian than you are. But I expected the effort would be rejected, and it was. Continuing:

Obviously, "no true Christian would write such a book," since it doesn't agree with your own personal all-authoritative, God-given, bigoted personal view.

Continuing the attempt to get you to read something that would actually help you...

2) You're probably incapable of really understanding it, even if you did read it.

And I meant that. Your attitude is such that you seem incapable of understanding that I am a real human being, and a darn nice one at that.

There are a lot of people out there - pretty decent people too, at least as decent as you yourself are - who simply can't stand the church and Christianity, and the book unChristian tells me that it's largely because of the kind of behavior I see you exhibiting, which includes outright nastiness both to people who are and are not Christians. How do you ever expect to "win people to Christ?"

To me, based on my personal experience, you seem just about incapable of even treating others as human beings, at least in the online context. To you, we're all "evo-atheists who pretend to be Christian while denouncing genuine Christians in the name of Christianity," "wolves in sheep’s clothing," not "actual Christians."

And this is when talking to a fellow Christian!

And 3) You CERTAINLY wouldn't accept any truth from a book that challenges any of your already-decided-upon conclusions.

So just go on and ONLY read the crap that reinforces your already-arrived-at conclusions. That's what you're going to do anyway.

Which you've certainly shown, again and again and again.

So compare my statements, which are all true, NONE of which was really a personal attack, and which you had to troll through SIX MONTHS of postings to come up with, with the following from you, in one single post - your most recent one:

Spare me the phony holier than thou attitude, Johnny-boy

In one single phrase you accuse me of being a phony, accuse me of a "holier than thou attitude," and attempt to belittle me by calling me "Johnny-boy."

Mr. Manners

Another saracastic name, obviously intended as an insult...

can’t you just feel the love...LOL!):

And yet more of the same attitude.

I hate to tell you this, GGG, but this is not an attitude, or a way of interacting with others, that honors Christ or Christianity.

Your friend Agamemnon has recently produced even worse:

evo-breath... evo-atheist... stupid swan songs... all you Darwin diaper-drippers... as the pseudo-scientific pussy-wimps that you are... like the common bottom feeding evo-liberals that you all are... I simply call you out as a poser... phoney scientist wanna-be... you liberals... slobbering... Wacka'd out fellow evo-atheists...

Believe it or not, that was all from a single post.

So my statement was quite a fair one:

Honestly, the level of ugliness on the part of a couple of “Christians” here is astonishing to me. Presumably they read from the same Bible that talks about the love of God, but personally, I can’t see any evidence of it from here.