Posted on 10/22/2009 9:53:36 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
I really have to argue with you on this. I believe that China may not constitute a global strategic threat at this moment, but is a regional power that has enough capability to strike across to Taiwan. Give them twenty five more years and they will have the strategic capability to challenge the USA, even less time if we don’t get our economic and military house in order. People in the west laughed at Japan as a power until the 1905 war she had with Russia. She trounced the Tsar’s forces and was hitting us at Pearl Harbor thirty six years later.
China will set up a “Crisis” in Taiwanese politics of some sort. They will step in to provide order. It will be a Trojan Horse operation. It will move swiftly and Obama will not have the time or desire to react. The lost province will become a part of Red China and lots of people will go into the re-education camps. Next, the Chinese will invade North Korea and move on Viet Nam (for oil naturally)and them Malaya. It will be a slow inching sort of conquest—using agents to set the stage and the UN to lend a hand. All the time expanding their revolutionary types of war from subs to drones. That’s what I see as a future Chinese conquest.
Remember that it would only take a few (even diesel) boats - almost no matter how poorly built - to shut down the West Coast harbors of US.
But even easier, to isolate Taiwan completely. (Though I doubt The Zero would ever want to support Taiwan against a China boycott/blockade. And the boycott is even more likey.)
I see your cruiser at B4. Boom!
So what is to stop me from blowing them up? They just don’t have appreciable numbers to make it happen and our technology allows us to stand off and accurately take em down.
A few Diesel Boats? LOL Very funny.
Oh don’t think I don’t take them seriously. I do. It’s just that we are so far advanced and experienced and hopefully you read some of my previous posts so I don’t have to reiterate why.
They may very well become a great power in 25 years but they will need to match our capabilities for delivery. We can range them from right here.
They have nuclear, we have nuclear. So MAD
We can draw on more gun owners for sniping as well.
I still think China has a lot of other problems that plague them and if they somehow overcome those they could develop into a formidable force.
in 2050 60% of all men over 60.
desertfication. They have less arable land than Europe or the US, which is why they are net importer of food and their problem is not going away.
Polluted water. They continue unfased and unabated to develop their industrial base at the expense of their environment, they are doing absolutely nothing about it.
Their Yuan is a fake, in terms of whatever everyone agrees it ought to be. The Chinese value it a 30% less than what it should be.
On top of that their banking system is worse than a Ponzi scheme.
There are some other hurdles but if we look at Germany and Japan, they were in very different shape than China is likely to be in 25 years.
Don’t forget Radar, Laser, minature and self determined arms/robots.
We are not sitting on our proverbial asses like we did before WW1/WW2.
We continue to improve year over year in qualitative ability.
Right now they have numbers and not enough competent one at that.
let em deploy diesel anything. Boom.
Taiwan also has some of our most advanced technology and they have no intention of reuniting with China.
Like I said they will be a great power but a World Super Power? Not in 25 years.
China is looking to take of Siberia which the Russians took from them in the 1800’s. Still they won’t have the capability to go much further than that for years to come.
Russia won’t have a choice, as they are an economic basket case.
Let me look up a report they created about global warming in 1998. I still have it. It is just laughable.
I wonder who writes reports and what their motivation is?
Not everyone is an idealogue in the coin of being an American.
Not all reports are viewed in absolute terms.
Not all reports are generated because someone needs a job and creating them is what they do.
etc, etc, etc.
WE don’t have enough assets to keep a major force there, and stay on top of the ME. Our navy is depleted, and guess who is going to continue gutting it.
He was assigned to "Americanization" of type XXI subs after the war. He told us that it was a wonderful submarine, which became the US template for pre-nuclear subs. He was very fond of the type XXIs. The US made faithful copies of them rather than "innovating".
that is very funny for guy from Texas.
Hmmmm, I am thinking about Stephen Austin right now.
We are Americans, we don’t suffer a cultural defect like saving face.
The most important thing to us is winning.
okay, getting ready to workout and wantes to posit this:
If they can’t make decent knockoff car, How are they going to produce enough military assets, of dependable quality, to make anything happen?
Even if they do they have a logistical problem to solve:
Water to forces
Replacement parts and armament
Food, Food, Food
Fuel. Where are they going to get it and who will deliver it to them?
Let me look up a report they created about global warming in 1998. I still have it. It is just laughable.
I wonder who writes reports and what their motivation is?
Not everyone is an idealogue in the coin of being an American.
Not all reports are viewed in absolute terms.
Not all reports are generated because someone needs a job and creating them is what they do.
etc, etc, etc.
Read this from the Army College. It is a quick read and interesting.
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/97spring/hansen.htm
Quick read and interesting. Wasn't sure if it was still publicly accessible but it is:
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/97spring/hansen.htm
And this:
I love the part about China
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/97spring/butts.htm
On this one, the read is a little longer so go down to “China’a Disappearing Act” You will spot some illuminating information in the first two paragraphs
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/PARAMETERS/97spring/rosenbe.htm
And I just went back and read the article again and come to the same conclusion.
China makes Craptastic stuff and they know it. They need to overcome their quality issues before they can be a great power militarily.
I don't know how well the missile tech transferred over to the Chinese during the Clinton crime wave [woops] Admin could be made to apply to a Chinese version of "Sherwood Forest"
If they could get 'em up & going, then those "sensitive parts of the technology" that Democrat after Democrat stood on the House & Senate floors and promised us "would be guarded" would be used to attack us. As it is now, the Chinese have some land-based ICBM capability, which they did not have before Clinton, and the Loral/Hughes transfer-missile-tech-to-China deal.
Clinton underwent impeachment proceedings for the wrong reasons...
but to why they eventually will, for they must. Come and take it, that is.
In the world today, in Africa and in South America, there is one nation that has greatly expanded their mercantile interests. It is not the U.S., or any European nation, nor is it the former Soviets, any more than it is Thailand.
I like to refer to it as "the running communist/capitalist/imperialist dog".
I understand what you are saying but, we aren’t going to let it happen.
A friend, who is a Hoover Institute Fellow, recently gave me a book:
“Return of History, End of Dreams” by Robert Kagan.
Very good and interesting read.
Here is a synopsis:
http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/8552512.html
In the book, it postulates what the world will look like down the road and that for many reasons the United State will reign as the sole superpower and that other nations like China and India will be great powers and that may be their only desire.
Read this:
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