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War without end (BARF ALERT=American soldiers killing Afghan children)
Arkansas Democrat Gazette (subscription may be needed) ^ | 22 OCT 09 | Gene Lyons

Posted on 10/22/2009 8:35:02 AM PDT by DCBryan1

War without end

Gene Lyons

One of the enduring oddities of American foreign policy debate is that asking the most obvious questions is all but forbidden.

For example, how does Afghanistan pose a threat to the United States?

Certainly not in any military sense. The impoverished, largely illiterate Afghans have no army apart from the one U.S. and NATO forces, with very limited success, are trying to train, no air force, no navy, no offensive military capacity whatsoever.

From the U.S. perspective, Afghanistan is the absolute end of the earth. Indeed, it’s not a nation at all. The idea that well-intentioned Westerners can create an efficient central government on, say, the Swiss model where none has ever existed, much less one acceptable to Afghanistan’s many warring tribes, sects and ethnic factions, is almost certainly a delusion.

Here’s the reality, as explained by a theater manager in somewhat Westernized Kabul to The New York Times: “The Afghan people are not mentally united. . . . An Uzbek will never vote for a Tajik. A Tajik will never vote for a Pashtun.”

The prevailing view, reporter Sabrina Tavernise found, appears to be that President Hamid Karzai’s recent election victory was both fraudulent and inevitable. Almost nobody believes a recount would solve anything.

“Even if every Afghan casts their vote for [runner-up Abdullah] Abdullah, he won’t be president because the foreigners don’t want him to be,” another man told Tavernise. “Nobody respected the people’s vote.”

Afghans see the Karzai government as organized thievery with a Pashtun accent. Period. Thus while veteran Washington Post columnist Jim Hoagland is likely correct that President Obama’s seeming indecision about sending 40,000 more American soldiers there is actually a squeeze play to pressure Karzai into “sharing power with more honest, competent Afghans,” it’s also apt to show more illusory than real results.

Had the U.S. and its allies not diverted manpower and resources from Afghanistan to a futile, unnecessary war in Iraq, the counterinsurgency techniques proposed by Gen. Stanley McChrystal to persuade Taliban fighters to put down their weapons might have worked.

Eight bloody years on, however, what motivates the insurgency has been captured in an extraordinary series by David Rohde, the New York Times reporter rescued after seven months as a Taliban prisoner.

While his captors “harbored many delusions about Westerners,” Rohde writes, U.S. anti-terrorist policies had galvanized them.

“They said large numbers of civilians had been killed in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Palestinian territories in aerial bombings. Muslim prisoners had been physically abused and sexually humiliated in Iraq. Scores of men had been detained in Cuba and Afghanistan for up to seven years without charges.”

Rohde witnessed Taliban militants weeping over a NATO air strike that killed scores of Afghan women and children.

“To Americans,” he writes “these episodes were aberrations. To my captors, they were proof that the United States was a hypocritical and duplicitous power that flouted international law.

“When I told them I was an innocent civilian who should be released, they responded that the United States had held and tortured Muslims in secret detention centers for years. Commanders said they themselves had been imprisoned, their families ignorant of their fate. Why, they asked, should they treat me differently?”

And yet they did. Because his kidnappers saw Rohde as a valuable commodity, he was housed comfortably, provided with toiletries, fresh food and water, newspapers and a shortwave radio. While often threatened, he says he was never tortured; his captors even took him to a remote spot in the mountains to shoot a video making his plight appear worse than it was.

Although it infuriates some Americans to hear that “terrorists” have recognizable human motives, understanding them is also crucial to what McChrystal hopes to achieve there: separating ethnic Pashtun insurgents from al-Qa’ida fanatics by offering what his report calls “reasonable incentives to stop fighting and return to normalcy, possibly including the provision of employment and protection.”

U.S. intelligence officers have told The Boston Globe that an estimated 90 percent of Afghan fighters constitute “a tribal, localized insurgency” and 10 percent “are hard-core ideologues fighting for the Taliban.”

And what if a U.S. president recognized that destroying mud villages and killing children in distant Afghanistan isn’t making America safer? That endless war creates endless enemies? What if he showed enough political courage to say that 100 percent security from terrorism isn’t possible? That the mad, quixotic attempt to achieve it is sacrificing the lives of our best and bravest while it bankrupts the treasury?

Who in the world would be angry with him except the Washington war lobby and Osama bin Laden?

—––––– •–––––—Free-lance columnist Gene Lyons is a Houston, Ark., author and recipient of the National Magazine Award.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: barfalert; genelyons; libtard; turd
This is his first article that doesn't say "Bush's Fault!" in the first sentence. This guy is truely deranged.
1 posted on 10/22/2009 8:35:03 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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2 posted on 10/22/2009 8:37:33 AM PDT by cranked
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For example, how does Afghanistan pose a threat to the United States?

Clearly this person has no ability to do critical thinking. Does a rat nest in your neighbors house pose a threat to you? What if he lets it go and within 2 years there's thousands of rats. Does it pose a threat now?

3 posted on 10/22/2009 8:40:00 AM PDT by Malsua
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Lyin’ Gene Lyons is at it again! What a jerk!


4 posted on 10/22/2009 8:50:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (You talkin' ta me? YOU TALKIN TO ME! Well just who are you talkin' to?)
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>>Clearly this person has no ability to do critical thinking.

Threat? What Threat?



Hey, it's "just bidness"...right?

If those "pooor Afghan farmers" can't engage in commerce without exporting poison - THEN TO HELL WITH THEM.
5 posted on 10/22/2009 8:53:32 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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Having read Lyon’s past idiot columns, I wondered who the lib scribbler would be. I didn’t get past his name. His columns are just as predictable as Mo Dowd’s i.e. Republicans evil and America to blame for the world’s problems.


6 posted on 10/22/2009 8:54:10 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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Very doubtful this...man has ever been in the US military.


7 posted on 10/22/2009 8:54:13 AM PDT by onedoug
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For example, how does Afghanistan pose a threat to the United States?

Gee, now I understand. Afghanistan is kind of like Somalia who, as everyone knows, is totally harmless. Of course, we now know that it was the Bush Administration and a terrorist cabal led by Cheney that was responsible for 911. Just ask Van Jones.

Pretty soon we will all be good Maoists and peace will reign supreme.

8 posted on 10/22/2009 8:55:05 AM PDT by JimSEA
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Also doubt he has ever been to Afganistan?

In Arkansas, he considered left of Rahm Emanual and Axelrod and even Obama


9 posted on 10/22/2009 9:17:44 AM PDT by supermop (Somebody has to clean up the mess he will leave)
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Who in the world would be angry with him except the Washington war lobby and Osama bin Laden?

Me! I would be angry at him for not standing up
to terrorism.

Je Vomir!
I think I just threw up my stomach!


10 posted on 10/22/2009 9:35:11 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Dear Gene,
Right now I would have to say the biggest threat to
the United States is the Obama administration.
Tet.


11 posted on 10/22/2009 9:36:40 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Gene Lyons:

One would have thought that he would have dried up by now and been burned up with the rest of the buffalo chips.


12 posted on 10/22/2009 10:35:15 AM PDT by BilLies
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