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Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
CBS ^ | Oct. 21, 2009 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 10/21/2009 8:04:06 AM PDT by MsLady

(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.

The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Center for Disease Control, CDC, and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu.

Why the uncertainty about who has and who hasn't had H1N1 flu?

CBSNews.com report on H1N1

In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.

CBS News learned that the decision to stop counting H1N1 flu cases was made so hastily that states weren't given the opportunity to provide input. Instead, on July 24, the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists, CSTE, issued the following notice to state public health officials on behalf of the CDC:

"Attached are the Q&As that will be posted on the CDC website tomorrow explaining why CDC is no longer reporting case counts for novel H1N1. CDC would have liked to have run these by you for input but unfortunately there was not enough time before these needed to be posted (emphasis added)."

On Aug. 4, CBS News asked the CDC for e-mail communications to states and other documents regarding the guidance and its rationale. When CDC did not provide us with the documents, such as state-by-state numbers prior to halting testing and tracking, we filed a Freedom of Information request with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). More than two months later, the request has not been fulfilled.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cases; flu; h1n1; influenza; overestimated; swineflu
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1 posted on 10/21/2009 8:04:07 AM PDT by MsLady
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To: MsLady

Dang, I tried to make a link. I failed again :( one of these days.....
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml


2 posted on 10/21/2009 8:05:14 AM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Another government foul-up and cover-up. First they declare an epidemic, then specifically prevent the counting of cases. Somebody got flush out of this one.


3 posted on 10/21/2009 8:07:17 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: MsLady

>CDC is no longer reporting case counts for novel H1N1<

Because it’s mostly hype and the public knows this?

Or is it to keep fear of the unknown alive?


4 posted on 10/21/2009 8:08:01 AM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: MsLady

Any confirmation of this from a reliable news source?


5 posted on 10/21/2009 8:08:06 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: MsLady
Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?

Almost certainly.

6 posted on 10/21/2009 8:08:24 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Tragically a 4 year old child just died in my city. Her sister had previously been diagnosed with the swine flu so when the younger child got sick the assumption was made she had the same illness.

I’ve been told that the child actually had a bacterial infection.

The hysteria over swine flu MIGHT have contributed to this very sad and tragic death. I emphasize it MIGHT have contributed.


7 posted on 10/21/2009 8:12:51 AM PDT by Josa
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To: MsLady
Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them

I was wondering how they'd try to get people to take the vaccine even though they've already been sick.

I'm not quite sure what the angle is here, if any. However, I could conceivably see that the CDC is trying to CYA here. The vaccine didn't make it in time for many people, including my family. To save face, they're going to need long lines and wide distribution of the millions of doses of vaccine that are on order. Reports like this may be meant to make sure those lines stay long. If they were to receive the vaccine, and nobody were to show up to take it, how embarrassing and wasteful would that seem?
8 posted on 10/21/2009 8:13:53 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: MsLady

Cases of flu—especially the more common seasonal flu—are ALWAYS overestimated. Anyone reporting sick to an ER or a doctor with a cold or flu-like symptoms during flu season is deemed to have the flu. Most do not have the flu at all, but the common cold or just plain tiredness.

The REAL problem is when the overestimate of pandemic flu incidence are used by a corrupt government to justify martial law-like measures against their citizenry. That is a SERIOUS disease, but not one caused by a virus.


9 posted on 10/21/2009 8:18:44 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Josa

>The hysteria over swine flu MIGHT have contributed to this very sad and tragic death.<

It’s possible.

If the docs have made up their mind it’s flu, they will not give antibiotics to the patient because everyone knows antibiotics will not get rid of a virus.


10 posted on 10/21/2009 8:27:47 AM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: MsLady

Definitely, they do, and when I called my daughter in to school the other day, they immediately assumed it was Swine Flu. “No,” I told them, “it’s the normal one.” The school secretary almost sounded disappointed.


11 posted on 10/21/2009 8:28:25 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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If the government can work up enough fear in people, could they use the national security to start controlling everything? Or putting people into designated quarantine?

Ok, I have my tinfoil hat on now. I've heard even Glen Beck say there are no interment camps or designated places for quarantine in America. I don't know that I believe that. If they did it to Japanese American's during WWII. And the way our government has treated American Indians in the past. Why wouldn't they do the same type of thing now? Especially under this administration.

12 posted on 10/21/2009 8:38:10 AM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: McKayopectate
I've been very, very suspicious about this for some time.

Who stands to gain and how if the Rosie O'Donnell (aka Swine, H1N1) flu numbers are inflated? If we can answer that question we might be able to figure out why there is such hysteria...

13 posted on 10/21/2009 8:38:24 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
Who stands to gain and how if the Rosie O'Donnell (aka Swine, H1N1) flu numbers are inflated?

I don't know, but "inflated" didn't seem to become a concern to the media or CDC until they realized that the vaccine would be late, and people were going to skip it figuring they'd already gotten over the flu.
14 posted on 10/21/2009 8:44:18 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: swain_forkbeard

I sincerely doubt CBS will say these words on the air!


15 posted on 10/21/2009 8:47:12 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: mmichaels1970

Millions will get the swine flu. They won’t even have symptoms! They won’t even know they had the swine flu, it is that mild.


16 posted on 10/21/2009 8:48:10 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: MsLady

This is VERY strange and suspicious.

But it’s a good sign that CBS decided to investigate it and publicize the results. This one is going out to my list.

The way it was done, there’s not much doubt that the decision to stop testing was a political decision. Abrupt, without explanation, contrary to obvious medical principles, and in the face of state objections.

I suggest that we pass this one on to Drudge.


17 posted on 10/21/2009 8:49:04 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MsLady

Gun owners are more susceptible to the H1N1 virus. Film at eleven./

I’m being sarcastic, but I do agree with your point.


18 posted on 10/21/2009 8:50:58 AM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: MsLady

P.S. I forgot to mention the closer: that CBS News filed a freedom of information request two months ago for an explanation of what happened, and they still haven’t heard back.

Most transparent administration in history.


19 posted on 10/21/2009 8:53:33 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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