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Posted on 10/18/2009 6:47:38 PM PDT by GVnana
Thank you Sir,,,, and thank you for your service to this country and protecting us.
I stand with defending the Constitution and with those who defend it-—at whatever cost. I agree there is something brewing.
I have lived and worked in two communist countries and in a third where the Marxists are coddled and allowed at the government table for negotiations, and have seen it stimie the country and frustrate their true-hearted military officers who are forced to fight against insurgencies from both communists and Muslims.
It must not happpen in America. Our insurgency is coming down on us from the top: a president s-called, who surrounds himself with the same kind of people who are destroying countries like the Philippines.
That is exactly what has happened. God help us and our country...
Trust me, these people are not going to roll over.
When I was an Airman I was still a lib, but if Bill Clinton had said, “We’re going to have martial law now, go grab the guns” I would have gone over the hill and joined any militia I could find.
I think this is an outstanding group. I would join if I could but my current employment kind of keeps me from doing so. Just remember SPLC has staff monitoring this kind of group 24/7 and handing the intel to federal law enforcement.
WTH do the libs expect to happen when you start calling returning troops potential terrorists?
I envision a situation where Constitutional Restoration is called for; a conflict (I pray brief, with as little blood as possible— but I would trade both of those for s decisive result); and installation of a provisional governmet, perhaps called a Restoration Committee, to conduct day-to-day business while two sub-committees dismantle the unconstitutional state (in some cases as simple as sending office workers home, padlocking the faux greek temples and listing them with Century21 as office/warehouse/apartment possibilities) and prepare for the next set of elections (with rules on citizenship ((proof of!)) etc. to reduce or eliminate the abuses we have seen).
And you’re right; this would not be a Revolution, but a Restoration.
You're missing something. The SPLC's entire function is to act very afraid of groups it deems extremist and dangerous, so that they can milk more money from libs who think the Klan will be running 30 states by next Tuesday if the SPLC doesn't stop them. If Oathkeepers held their meetings in a phone booth, the SPLC would act very afraid of them.
You really just because the average Army private doesn’t think he’s Kenyan, he would obey an order to round up guns or arrest the people on an enemies list?
We have fun hobbies. Well, considering who is here (military, that is), it doesn’t suprise me.
You are correct, of course. I figured with all the Mao worship going on in DC of late, I'd put it in terms the little Red Book People can understand.
THANKS, BFL
That and the mid-terms is really all that’s holding The Marxist Onada and his band of angry commies from plunging the country into dictatorship.
I am glad they got press. They clearly state their rights and intentions without breaking any laws.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/
Ditto! The Ministry of Truth, a.k.a. “The Leftard Media” thinks that every word spoken or written by this filthy group of traitors is the Gospel truth.
I agree - The day when the rubber hits the road members of the SPLC like the ACLU will find themselves standing tall in front of revolutionary courts and have much to explain.
I like the idea of a revolutionary court - no appeals and sentences carried out within 24 hours.
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March 3rd, 2009Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey
standyourgroundOrders We Will Not Obey
“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” — Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island
Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army — and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states.
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.”
Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic.
Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey
Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.
Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal.
Washington at Valley Forge
In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles).
2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects — such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of “writs of assistance,” which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written.
We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.
3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal.
The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution.
Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.
The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.
In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty.
Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm.
Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted.
Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war.
Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty – as was done to the Boers, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, and to the Chechens, for example.
mass execution
Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it.”NOT on Our Watch!”
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.
During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people.
Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war.
We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are.
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people’s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord.
Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.
Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/
Another interesting anecdote:
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, there was an international conference which was attended by both American and Soviet generals, amongst other high-ranking present and former military personnel from around the world.
Off the cuff, one of the American generals asked one of the Russian generals if the Soviet Union had ever seriously considered invading the United States during the Cold War.
The Russian general laughed and said, “No.....you people have too many guns over there.”
Perhaps... And, then again, perhaps they will find that not so many are going to be willing to foreswear their original oath, to take on another. It's a tricky situation, at best.
I know where *I* stand. I cannot, honorably, nor will I, foreswear my current oath to the existing Constitution, to swear to another. Nor can anyone who has previously foresworn *ther* oath force me to do so, nor can they release me from my current oath, as one who is already foresworn has no honor, and thus no legitimate authority. I doubt I'm alone in my mode of thought here...
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