Posted on 10/17/2009 4:13:46 PM PDT by kellynla
Democrats' secret 4-step plan to jam public option!!
Step 1:
The Senate Finance Committee must first approve the marked-up version of Sen. Max Baucus (D.-Mont.) conceptual framework. Then Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D.-Nev.) can say that two Senate Committees have passed a health care bill, which will allow him to take extraordinary steps to get the bill on the Senate floor.
During the mark-up last week, members had difficulty offering amendments and trying to make constructive changed because they lacked actual legislative text and Baucus made unilateral last minute changes. For example, the AP reported that under pressure from fellow Democrats, the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee decided to commit an additional $50 billion over a decade toward making insurance more affordable for working-class families.
Step 2:
Sen. Reid will take the final product of the Senate Finance Committee and merge it with the product of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, which passed on a party-line vote in July.
Usually, a bill is voted out of committee, and then the Senate takes up the final product of the committee so that all 100 senators can have a hand in the process. With some help from the Obama administration, Reid will decide what aspects of the HELP and Finance Committee bills to keep.
Step 3:
Now, Obamacare will be ready to hitch a ride on an unrelated bill from the House. Sen. Reid will move to proceed to H.R. 1586, a bill to impose a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients. This bill was passed by the House in the wake of the AIG bonus controversy and is currently sitting on the Senate Legislative Calendar.
The move to proceed needs 60 votes to start debate. After the motion is approved, Sen. Reid will offer Obamacare as a complete substitute to the unrelated House-passed bill. This means that the entire healthcare reform effort will be included as an amendment to a TARP bill that has been collecting dust in the Senate for months.
Step 4:
For this strategy to work, the proponents would need to hold together the liberal caucus of 58 Democrats (including Paul Kirk who was named last Thursday to replace Sen. Kennedy), and the two Independent senators (Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Bernie Sanders of Vermont). These members will have to all hold hands and vote against any filibuster. Once the Senate takes up the bill, only a simple majority of members will be needed for passage. Its possible one of the endangered moderate Democrats, such as Sen. Blanche Lincoln (Ark.), could vote to stop a filibuster then vote against Obamacare so as not to offend angry constituents.
Once the Senate passes a bill and sends it to the House, all the House would have to do is pass the bill without changes and President Obama will be presented with his health care reform measure. If this plan does not work, the Senate and House leadership may go back to considering using reconciliation to pass the legislation.
Adopting this secret plan will not strike most Americans as a transparent, bipartisan, effective way to change how millions of Americans get their health care.
I think their stragery now is to do whatever it takes to shove it through and hope that the Republicans don’t make big enough gains in Congress to repeal it.
And yet if any of us try to avoid it by sneaky deceptive means, we will be fined and/or jailed, correct?
They poll that S#IT and they better worry about a run on rope at the local hardware stores!
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If they pass this bill at all; they will be gone. It is even possible they will have their pensions slashed and some will go to jail.
They are liars and liars lie. They all need to go.
I don’t think the Republicans, even if they win every seat they are contesting in 2010 will repeal any such bill. They will merely enact some minor alterations and thereafter the political argument that will animate every election will be about which party can administer socialism better. Republicans, once in power, are just as enamored of being in control of stuff as are the Democrats. To their minimum credit, they do tend to resist the enactment of such measures but then strive to be the beneficiaries of them.
kill the tax bill...no loss....
Why would the GOP sit by quietly and allow this to take place. Mass congressional walkout and revolt is in order. That is assuming they are opposed to the legislation, which is questionable.
The Healthcare Bill was ALWAYS a tax bill - it has to do with the mechanism of enforcement. They know damn well they have no legitimate power to seize everyone’s bodies.
But did you know you have TWO bodies?
Yep - your physical body, and your “corporate” body. Your corporate body is created by the government, and consists of your allowance to have fiduciary control of federal reserve notes. The idea is that you don’t have to have anything to do with federal reserve notes, but if you choose to do so, of your own voluntary will, why then, you are acting as an agent of the government. And that fiduciary capacity, in all of it’s respects, is your corporate body. And so, it’s that corporate body that is being linked to a new punishment tax if it doesn’t meet the requirements of the new healthcare bill.
And the fact that that new healthcare tax requirement involves the sacrifice of your physical body to government control is considered completely irrelevent for tax administration considerations.
Even if that new liberal party did they would love this thing as well.Unless that party undergoes a major transformation, they`re the new liberal party of America and the rats are effectively the ruling communist party of America.
No matter what they do, they can’t hide it.
A triple redundancy.
See post #9
I would love to think that. I think we would all love to think that. But, it wont matter. If a bill passes we are stuck with it whether we get congress and obama out or not. The next president wont overturn it.
We do a lot of talking on these forums of what we will do..when the fact is..we cant do a thing.
Watch us.
“Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47bpOCTcaY
I, for one, say it ain’t over!
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No! NO you don’t, you muzzie pos.
You’re not denying our seniors deserved health care while insuring millions of illegal aliens and while Demorats are REJECTING Obamacare for themselves and their families!
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