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The Coming end of the Western World may have to be postponed (America is NOT in decline)
American Thinker ^ | 10/17/2009 | Ethan Epstein

Posted on 10/17/2009 9:35:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 10/17/2009 9:35:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Easy for you to say.
Obama is the president and Democrats run the congres. Do not underestimate the danger they can do.


2 posted on 10/17/2009 9:40:14 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: SeekAndFind

Excellent article.

Various countries are posited as as replacing America as the dominant power. This is usually done by concentrating on America’s problems while ignoring those of the contender.

Europe, Russia and China have structural economic and cultural issues that dwarf those of the USA.

Dominance in the world is relative, not absolute. America could go into significant decline in absolute terms and remain dominant as long as competitors decline at equal or greater rates.


3 posted on 10/17/2009 9:41:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: oldbill
Obama is the president and Democrats run the congres. Do not underestimate the danger they can do.

America has survived worse. The Civil War, WWII, The Great Society, Jimmy Carter. We're greater as a nation than this pseudo-messiah and his cohorts.
4 posted on 10/17/2009 9:41:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: SeekAndFind
[ The Coming end of the Western World may have to be postponed ]

LOL.. now thats funny...

5 posted on 10/17/2009 9:43:30 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yup, America will survive rule by punks and I think, when bambi and his minions are booted out, it will finally be the end of the sixties.


6 posted on 10/17/2009 9:48:04 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Obamanos!)
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I may be a romantic but over my lifetime I have seen much good arise from tragedy.

Decline and re-examination by the American people of how their nation sees its future, questioning where we are headed and whether we are over-extended in our relationship to the other nations of the world.

Perhaps it would be a positive for the “divisive nation” as it is now to make some decisions with compromise and coming together to avoid future disaster.

In sum - fear may bring out our spirit again as the great nation we are - the nation we have built and which we all are a part of - together - in cooperation.


7 posted on 10/17/2009 9:51:12 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: SeekAndFind

The decline of the West in general (of which we are part) is the defining geopolitical fact of our era. It’s a process that’s already well under way. Industrial societies that don’t take in many immigrants (such as Russia) are already contracting, those that do (like us) have delayed the outward signs of their own decline. As we become an ever smaller and less important subsection of the world, global leadership will naturally pass to the East, before perhaps shifting elsewhere.

And there’s no need to see China, or India, or anyone else as the villain in all this. Everything that’s happening to us we’re doing to ourselves.


9 posted on 10/17/2009 9:58:09 AM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Authoritarianism is already eclipsing democracy, and in this country.


10 posted on 10/17/2009 10:01:08 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SeekAndFind

The article omits a key and I think decisive fact. It’s called education. Our educational system is in shambles and accounts for the loss of manufacturing industry and the migration of high tech jobs to to China, India, and the Asian tigers. In less than a decade China has emerged as major political power ( its influence in the Korean peninsula is massive- and we cannot even host the Dalai Lama for “fear” of offending China) and of course, China holds almost two-thirds of American debt. Where do we go from here?


11 posted on 10/17/2009 10:05:52 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: SeekAndFind
Is America in decline?
Spend some time in an inner city school. Spend some time on the streets of Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo, etc. Spend some time watching what our elected officials are up to on the state and local levels. You'll have the answer
12 posted on 10/17/2009 10:09:11 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SeekAndFind

Time to wake up. America IS in decline. Obama is the symptom of where we are. But it’s isn’t irreversible. We can get back to greatness and liberty again, but we are right now fullspeed into the opposite direction.


13 posted on 10/17/2009 10:12:30 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: Steelfish

OK, I realize that China holds a large chunk of US debt, but let’s not exagerrate things. China does not own 2/3 of our debt.

See here :

http://hearus-now.org/?p=276

The 15 Largest Holders of United States Debt

15: Luxembourg – $104.2 Billion

14: Depository Institutions – $107.3 Billion (commercial banks, savings banks, credit unions)

13: Russia – $119.9 Billion

12: Insurance Companies – 126.4 Billion

11: Brazil – 139.8 Billion

10: Caribbean Banking Centers – 189.7 Billion

9: Oil Exporters – $191 Billion

8: United Kingdom – $214 Billion

7: Pension Funds – $465.4 Billion

6: State and local governments – $522.7 Billion

5: Other Investors – $629.7 Billion (“other” refers to individuals, government sponsored enterprises, brokers and dealers, bank personal trusts, estates, corporate and non-corporate businesses)

4: Japan – $711.8 Billion

3: China – $776.4 Billion

2: Mutual Funds – $769.1 Billion

1: Federal Reserve and Intergovernmental Holdings – 4.785 Trillion


Now, can anyone explain to me what FEDERAL RESERVE ownership of US debt means and its implications ? It looks like we’re printing money and loaning OURSELVES the money at the same time...


14 posted on 10/17/2009 10:14:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: paul51

My wife and I counted all of the nieces, nephews, cousins, children and grandchildren in our combined family circles.

The producers are vastly outnumbered by the non producers. Even the term non producer is generous. Those on that side of the equation are leaches, sucking out scary proportions of society’s assets.

And it is significant that many of these young adults were raised in productive middle class families.

One 37 year old has had 7 illegitimate children, all taken from her by the state of Florida. The costs to society are incalculable. Several are milking SS disability for so called mental problems.

The literacy level of those under 35 with HS diplomas is depressing.

If this is coming out of middle America, what does that tell us about other segments of society?


15 posted on 10/17/2009 10:29:18 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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1: Federal Reserve and Intergovernmental Holdings – 4.785 Trillion

There is the 600 pound gorilla in the alley.

As far as I can tell, that is all simply paper. And a lot of the ink is still wet.

And the Fed is printing money to pay the interest on the money borrowed from other entities.

16 posted on 10/17/2009 10:33:08 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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They have learned that they don't have to be productive. The government will take care of them. After all, they have rights. For another eye opener, take a cruise down the central valley of CA and through the southwest. That will tell you where we are headed.
17 posted on 10/17/2009 10:34:30 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Steelfish
China’s economic growth has made them dependent on the economic health of the countries they trade with just like all other major trading countries. (Any wonder why they are so concerned about the long term value of all those bonds they hold?) They need healthy trading partners like we do to prop up their own economy and ward off massive unemployment and social unrest.
18 posted on 10/17/2009 10:36:31 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: Sherman Logan
Europe, Russia and China have structural economic and cultural issues that dwarf those of the USA.

Exactly. China is going to have a meltdown not too long from now. Usually when that happens it means it will split up among provincial warlords, if history is any judge.

But that's not to say that America isn't in deep, deep trouble.

Another candidate for world leader is Brazil. But there, too, they have worse problems than we do. We're probably in for a bad time all over the world, which may last for 20 years or so. I hate to seem gloomy, but it's hard to avoid.

And that large an economic collapse is pretty sure to lead to wars. So, we'll see how it all plays out. Better if Pakistan didn't have nukes. Better if North Korea didn't have nukes. Better if Iran wasn't getting nukes from Putin. Better if Putin didn't have ambitions to reset the Soviet Empire. Because we're going to be seeing a world-wide mess.

19 posted on 10/17/2009 10:43:41 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Now, can anyone explain to me what FEDERAL RESERVE ownership of US debt means and its implications ? It looks like we’re printing money and loaning OURSELVES the money at the same time...

That's exactly how they do it. Big ol' shell game!

20 posted on 10/17/2009 10:59:23 AM PDT by jimmyray
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