[Tailback]

joe lierberman stating he is not voting for any bill so they don’t have 60 votes for cloture !

Snowe, Collins, McCain, or Graham may vote for it. If not, they'll just use reconciliation. As far as voting them out, "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is coming up soon. That will definately pass with "bi-partisan support" and all those new "legal" immigrants will have brand new shiny voter ID's care of a local community organization. Stick a fork in it, we're done.

[ncalburt]

of that group only snowe would crack.
mccain is up fro relection and graham lobby funds are from insurance groups.

[Prokopton]

As far as voting them out, "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is coming up soon. That will definately pass with "bi-partisan support" and all those new "legal" immigrants will have brand new shiny voter ID's care of a local community organization. Stick a fork in it, we're done.

You're absolutely right. A health care bill, no matter how onerous, could be reversed at a later time. 20-30 million new, uneducated, government dependent, liberal voters is something that cannot be rectified and will doom any thoughts of a "conservative" resurgence now or in the future.