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To: Red Steel

For anyone else following along, let me explain why Red Steel isn’t able to answer the simple question about whether his own definition of ‘natural born citizen’ is based on ‘two citizen parents’ or ‘no dual citizenship’ or both.

If he answers that someone like Bubba is *not* a NBC, because he’s born with dual citizenships (which he claimed was the standard in #690), then he creates the situation where any number of children born on American soil, to American parents, will not be NBCs. That’s a radically sweeping exclusion policy for the Presidency, disqualifying any number of American children on the grounds of some foreign countries’ laws.

So he can’t say that dual citizenship *alone* makes a child not an NBC. He can’t say that Bubba is not an NBC.

On the other hand, if he takes the only other choice and he answers that someone like Bubba *is* a NBC, because he has two citizen parents (as he defined it in #936), then he concedes that it’s not any dual citizenships on the part of the child that disqualify him from being an NBC. It’s not any inherited allegiances, it’s only the fact that his parents aren’t U.S. citizens. If he admits that Bubba is a natural born citizen, he admits that a person born with dual citizenships can still be a natural born citizen. And he doesn’t want to do that.

So he won’t say that Bubba IS an NBC.

Now, he could say that a child is only disqualified if he’s born to a non-citizen AND inherits a dual citizenship, but that would be terribly inconsistent with his adamant insistence that “two citizen parents” are an absolute requirement for NBC status (#936). Because that doubled-up-requirement would mean that a child born to a non-citizen who DIDN’T inherit dual citizenship would be a NBC.

And so, faced with options that will only serve to demonstrate that the ‘two-parent-citizen’/’no dual citizenship’ theory cannot hold up under even the slightest logical scrutiny, he chooses to...ignore the question entirely and call Obama a chicken.


961 posted on 10/13/2009 10:08:20 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC; El Gato
Since you keep on harping about this:

You: So he can’t say that dual citizenship *alone* makes a child not an NBC. He can’t say that Bubba is not an NBC....

So he won’t say that Bubba IS an NBC.....

From your link, El Gato speaking of Bubba.

El Gato, "If your parents were citizens, then yes you are."

We do agree that Bubba is a natural born citizen because his parents were US citizens at the time of his birth.

But in Obama case, he only had one parent as a US citizen and the other was totally (only) and clearly a British subject and then he became a citizen of Kenya at their independence day. Native born citizens, statutory citizens, naturalized citizens, and duel citizens can give birth to US natural born citizens. Time to find something else obfuscate about.

981 posted on 10/13/2009 10:50:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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