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To: AndyJackson
Leftists have tended to ascribe moral superiority to communists in general. When they win, it must be because they have the support of the population. When they lose, it's in spite of the fact that they have the support of the population. I think it's a load of BS. Communists committed a lot of atrocities to coerce locals into cooperating with them, much as insurgents did in Iraq. The fact that the Communists had to commit atrocities in order to secure cooperation made it clear that the "support" was grudging and offered only if the alternative was a painful death.

Besides, military victory and the support of the population are distinct things. Most of the time, the people are just sitting around supporting their families and hoping to avoid being conscripted by the armies fighting around them. And for good reason. They know that the parties to the war aren't fighting it for their benefit. It's an outright struggle for power in which both sides are looking to them for employment as cannon fodder.

79 posted on 10/12/2009 6:15:23 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei
Leftists have tended to ascribe moral superiority to communists in general. .... Besides, military victory and the support of the population are distinct things. Most of the time, the people are just sitting around supporting their families and hoping to avoid being conscripted by the armies fighting around them. And for good reason. They know that the parties to the war aren't fighting it for their benefit. It's an outright struggle for power in which both sides are looking to them for employment as cannon fodder.

I am the last person in the world to think that communism is a good thing. But colonialism, particularly French colonialism, in Africa and Asia, was not exactly a great thing either, if you look at the record of violence and poverty that has been left in its wake. Consequently, while the communist side is certainly the wrong side, it turned out that putting up with the colonial bastards because they were our bastards was not a winning strategy either.

As to the rest of what you describe, that is why effective counterinsurgency strategies are necessary and why they work. You want to assure the nonpolitical guy who is just trying to get by day to day, that you will protect him, that the other guy is not going to win, and that he will be even better off if he can provide you with the local information you need about geography, resources, and movements of the enemy that you need to win village by village and town by town.

82 posted on 10/12/2009 6:26:25 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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