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New Way to Tap Gas May Expand Global Supplies
NY Times ^ | October 10, 2009 | CLIFFORD KRAUSS

Posted on 10/10/2009 9:04:41 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Sherman Logan

“The ecosphere is already saturated with water”

So, you are walking around in a dense fog right now? As is everyone else on earth?

Average Global Relative humidity at the surface is 78%. At higher altitudes it drops, being 37% at 30,000’.


41 posted on 10/11/2009 10:15:43 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: dusttoyou

Left out the sarc tag. The shale (actually, *any*) NG rigs I have seen are quite benign, usually a small cluster of gear in the middle of “nowhere” once in operation. Enviros, however, deeply fear shale exploration once it includes liquid hydrocarbon product because they fear massive ugly pits with accompanying steam generating gear and a dig out/break up processing operation that creates tremendous amounts of waste oil and potential groundwater pollution. And those that I have seen are indeed pretty ugly.


42 posted on 10/11/2009 12:43:46 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
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To: kidd
Assuming that the NYT is a mouthpiece for the Democrat party, I would tend to think that this non-news article is setting up a fall back position for the case that cap-and-tax legislation fails.

It was on the front page of the NY edition, not the national. Go figure. It was otherwise buried in the energy/environment section, IIRC.

43 posted on 10/11/2009 2:12:21 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Shale is a sedimentary rock rich in organic material that is found in many parts of the world. It was of little use as a source of gas until about a decade ago, when American companies developed new techniques to fracture the rock and...
Thanks neverdem.
44 posted on 10/11/2009 7:15:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I have worked in and have been oil and gas exploration (drilling) my whole life and I have no idea what you are trying to describe.

Massive ugly pits? accompanying steam generating gear and a dig out/break up processing operation that creates tremendous amounts of waste oil and potential groundwater pollution? The “pits” are drilling fluid and the steam (water vapor) seen is from subsurface heat not some monster machinery spewing waste oil (beleive me damn little oil is let go at $70 a bbl).


45 posted on 10/11/2009 8:55:40 PM PDT by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: dusttoyou

http://www.oilwatchdog.org/images/blog/5448270/estoniashale.pnp.png

http://redgreenandblue.org/files/2008/11/oil-shale-mining.jpg

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/green/2008/10/06/Bauert9633_PKivioliresized.JPG

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/09/Stuart_pit.jpg

You’re misreading my point. I am stating what the enviros fear, not what I project. I’m in favor of developing these resources. Once these fields are in operation, they can be cleaned up and worked pretty well. I understand that in the 80’s many of these projects were abandoned when the tax benefits were revoked. Unfortunately, some of those abandoned sites are the squeaky wheel that gets their attention.


46 posted on 10/11/2009 9:37:38 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
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To: neverdem

Natural gas (methane) is CH4 - the hydrogen bonds are where the energy is. Other hydrocarbons have more carbon for less hydrogen, proportionately.


47 posted on 10/12/2009 4:04:38 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Mining of oil shales
and extracting natural gas from fractured shale
are two completely different things.


48 posted on 10/12/2009 4:29:25 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: BwanaNdege
Average Global Relative humidity at the surface is 78%.

Correct.

However, since liquid water is widely exposed to the atmosphere, the system is at equilibrium. Liquid water evaporates and water vapor condenses. The addition of a miniscule amount of water vapor will not change these conditions.

49 posted on 10/12/2009 5:58:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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