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Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law
NaturalNews ^ | October 9 2009 | Mike Adams

Posted on 10/09/2009 4:59:37 AM PDT by Brown Deer

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To: Wacka

Gotcha. So do I listen to people say “NO” to a vaccine or do I listen to what my brain says is a close call last year or do I assume I’m immune because of last year.

Also, if many people die, will the people posting this thread wish they never did?

I’m asking more than commenting.


81 posted on 10/10/2009 3:38:01 AM PDT by egannacht (Vote YES for statism: Why burden yourself with civic duty when Idol and Oprah are on?)
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To: Brown Deer

My two kids (7 and 3) have come down with flu. I took my 7-year-old son to the ER on a Sunday night because no doc’s offices or ermergency care clinics were open and his fever would not break. I am glad I did - he was not responding to Motrin and I didn’t want that fever to go any higher.

And my wife is 6+ months pregnant, so her doc had her get the flu shot, and she will get H1N1 shot when it arrives - I think.

I got the basic flu shot at work and I am the only one in my house who is flu-free. Well, I have felt cruddy, but I think it is from taking care of the rest of them and missing meals, etc.

Flu is nasty stuff, and this bout seems to hit young kids hard.


82 posted on 10/10/2009 3:47:04 AM PDT by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: driftdiver
Right, so if there isn’t proof of testing it seems prudent to force the FDA to stop the use of the vaccine.

The FDA doesn't allow a drug to come to market without passing many established criteria. After thalidomide the FDA has been even more vigilant than many deem necessary because no one in charge wants to be identified as the one who let another such thing happen. The fact that the FDA has approved the flu vaccine in itself is pretty good evidence that adequate testing had been performed.

But even with testing and with any drug there are some things that may not show up among certain tiny populations of users for years. Claiming that if testing had been adequate all these side effects would have been uncovered. On a philosophical basis this no doubt is true, but such "testing" would have been impossible because it would have required a number of users equal to the size of the population in which the possible side effects or effects arising after use with some other drug or when taken under peculiar conditions have actually manifested themselves and over the same time course. If such testing were required, there is not a single drug that could ever possibly be approved for use, but in the end many orders of magnitude more people would have died, suffered, or been impaired because those drugs were not available. Looking at it in terms of maps, no map can possibly be completely accurate--if it were, it would be the size and detail of whatever it was mapping and, thus, impossible to use.
83 posted on 10/10/2009 3:49:25 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Diamond

PING


84 posted on 10/10/2009 3:49:52 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Look at the hysteria, look at who is pushing the vaccine.

I don’t believe BO or his cronies.

Comparing the 1918 flu to a possible outbreak today is apples and oranges. Our healthcare system is vastly improved.


85 posted on 10/10/2009 3:58:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: foxfield
The government is supplying the actual H1N1 vaccine at no charge to providers, but the provider can charge an administration fee ( which is in the 20-30 dollar range). So you may find some places (community centers, etc) that are free, most clinics will charge the nominal fee.

In other words, you and your tax dollars are paying for the vaccine.

86 posted on 10/10/2009 4:18:58 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Wacka
You are partially right and partially wrong. Yes flu is a virus not a bacteria and antibiotics don't work on a virus, but it is more complicated than that. Viruses will weaken the body and leave it susceptible to a bacteria. The bacteria that comes on after the flu is what will kill you, more likely than the flu itself. My doctor will always prescribe antibiotics when I have the flu because he knows that it will ALWAYS leave me with a bacterial infection, possibly with pneumonia.
87 posted on 10/10/2009 4:22:38 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Cherokee Conservative

The last swine vaccine was 1976.


88 posted on 10/10/2009 5:08:29 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Ditter

I have an advanced degree in molecular biology. If you didn’t already have a bacterial infection, he is wrong, because indiscriminate use of antibiotics will result in more resistant bacteria evolving.


89 posted on 10/10/2009 8:23:20 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Wacka
If you have an advanced degree in m. biology then you know we have bacteria all over us all the time. The viral flu weakens our immune system so we cannot fight the bacteria and we get a secondary infection. that is the reason that a simple head cold leaves you with a bacterial sinus infection and the flu leaves you with bronchitis or pneumonia. Giving antibiotics when the person has the flu prevents the secondary infection from ever happening. Some of us already know that we need this treatment from having the flu many times in the past.
90 posted on 10/10/2009 8:42:26 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Brown Deer

I am most concerned that the vaccine contains the adjuvant squalene. However, the FDC states squalene isn’t being used. Does anyone know the source of the squalene rumors in the vaccine? I have searched sites that discuss squalene in the vaccine but no definitive references. Is it a rumor or fact? If it is in the vaccine the CDC is misrepresenting this fact on their website.


91 posted on 10/10/2009 8:45:05 AM PDT by mpstan
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To: driftdiver

[[Source? I’ve read of numerous deaths related to the vaccine.]]

I don’t have the source for that- just going by what the Doc on Glenn Beck said- and where have you read ‘numerous deaths due to vaccine’?


92 posted on 10/10/2009 9:10:08 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: myknowledge

My father was an rancher at age 72....a super strong man who could still buck hay all day long. He got GBS after receiving a flu vaccine in 2001 and then got a slight case of the flu. A couple of days later his hands paralyzed and within 2 days he was paralyzed from the head down. His lungs as well. He was on a resporator for 3 months in ICU. As the virus attacked his nerves the pain was horrifying...he couldn’t even handle the air movement on his body. They kept him in a medicated coma for the 3 months. He should have died. He could not talk or move anything except his eyes and mouth. Better than one guy I met who layed for 2 years and could not even blink his eyes. The doctors tell us there were 4 or 5 times that my father should have died. He wished he had. They also said that it was a kick back from the swine flu shot he had in the 70’s. He lived until he was 80 years old totally disabled the last 8 years of his life. He grew mean and ran all of us off...left the family money to a girlfriend. I would rather die from the flu than live like that. They call him the 5 million dollar man because that’s about what it costs to try to treat him. Funny thing....they tried all kinds of acupunture treatments and all it did was bring the color back in his World War 11 tattoo!!


93 posted on 10/10/2009 9:53:50 AM PDT by Punzie
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To: Brown Deer

There’s no way I’m giving this to my children.


94 posted on 10/10/2009 10:13:34 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: Brown Deer; Dr. Eckleburg

Awful strange that they vaccinate military men on ships and then they “all catch the flu”


95 posted on 10/10/2009 10:27:21 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Wacka
Antibiotics work on bacteria

Yes but pertussis, whooping cough is back and it's bacterial, so the good old doctor just goes for whatever. They say "Oh that didn't work?Here try another pill"

96 posted on 10/10/2009 10:30:32 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Cherokee Conservative

one in one million had an unfortunate side effect. one in one hundred thousand died from the swine flu. Therefore, the chance of dying from the actual disease was 10 times greater than dying from the vaccine.


97 posted on 10/10/2009 4:41:42 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Never happened.


98 posted on 10/10/2009 4:43:01 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: mpstan

Squalene is in the vaccine in some European countries. Squalene is not used in vaccines in the US.


99 posted on 10/10/2009 4:46:44 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: small farm girl

As usual; he will the opposite of what he says.


100 posted on 10/11/2009 9:08:51 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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