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To: marstegreg
The problem is proving it. If they cannot prove it, they cannot take it on. Believing it is not enough

There are two issues, one of which is only marginally related to the Birth Certificate. The BC issue is to determine if he is a citizen at all, or possibly a naturalized one. The other issue lies in the citizenship, or lack thereof, of his father. The BC would be legal proof of who his father was, but otherwise it could contain exactly what was on the image of the CoLB, and he still might not be a natural born citizen. There's really nothing to "prove", except in a technical legalistic sense. What is needed is a "determination". Much like the case of "Wong Kim Ark", where both sides agreed on the facts, but disagreed on the law (including the supreme law).

But it takes a court, including appeals courts and ultimately the Supreme Court to make that "determination". If no court will even examine the issue, declaring it "political" or that individuals have no "standing" to have the Constitution enforces, then the Constitutional meaning will not be defined, and the Constitution will not be enforced.

The BC issue is just easier to understand, no confusion between "(native born) citizen" and "natural born citizen" exists if he was not a citizen at birth at all or was but by statute, which means under Congress power to define an uniform rule of naturalization.

93 posted on 10/08/2009 2:29:49 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato; LucyT

I just received this so I thought I would add to the discussion.

- - - FLASH TRAFFIC - - - FLASH TRAFFIC - - -

United States District Court Judge David O. Carter
Case Number: SACV09-0082 DOC (ANx)
Captain Pamela Barnett, Et. Al. v. Barack Hussein Obama, Et. Al.
Date: October the 5th, 2009

Motion to Dismiss this Case: Denied

Motion to Set for Trial: Affirmed

Court Aforesaid Mentioned Now Orders The Following Dates to be Made Final:

1. Motion for Summary Judgment November 16, 2009
2. Opposition to Motion for Summary Judgment November 26, 2009
3. Reply to Motion for Summary Judgment November 30, 2009
4. Final Pretrial Conference January 11, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.
5. Jury Trial January 26, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.

The above titled case in the matter of Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to hold the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America will proceed to trial as outlined above. U.S. District Court Judge David O. Carter posted his adjudication. There was a Motion to Dismiss put forward by the attorneys representing the Justice Department and Barack Hussein Obama, which motion was denied.

The case as to Mr. Obama’s eligibility shall now proceed toward trial. This includes but is not limited to: Articles of Discovery wherein all matters pertaining to Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate, College Transcripts, Employment Records, Housing and Residence, Passports, etc. shall be subpoenaed and ordered to be brought forward for review.

The decision by this U.S. District Judge is profound on several levels. I doubt, however, government-run media will have any reference to this ruling or the actions pertaining to this case.

There is a clock ticking, and I can’t help believe Obama, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Read know there is a clock ticking.

Not only in the matter of Mr. Obama’s Constitutional legitimacy for the office he currently holds, but also because WE THE PEOPLE are waking to the reality our country is being taken away and recast in a mold counter to the Founding Father’s vision, our Heritage and culture, and the Rule of Law our Nation has stood on from inception.

There is a clock ticking in this law suit. So ramming as much “change” as humanly possible makes sense in the event sufficient evidence is found to proceed with Impeachment of the President.

I released an earlier Intelligence Briefing (March 16th, 2009) wherein I stated a Constitutional Crisis may be coming in the matter of Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to hold the Office of President of the United States of America. The decision of U.S. District Court Judge David O.
Carter just moved our Nation one step closer to this very real possibility.

Respectfully,
LYLE J. RAPACKI, Ph.D.
Protective Intelligence Specialist and Agent
Consultant at Behavioral Analysis and Threat Assessment
Independent Intelligence Analyst and Licensed Private Investigator
ASIS-Phoenix Chapter Membership Chair


94 posted on 10/08/2009 4:29:58 PM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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