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World Policeman or Limited Government?
Charleston City Paper / Campaign for Liberty ^ | 2009-10-07 | Jack Hunter aka Southern Avenger

Posted on 10/07/2009 12:55:09 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

Jim DeMint is one of my favorite Republicans. The senator's unwavering opposition to government spending — from "stimulus" and national healthcare to auditing the Federal Reserve — just warms my conservative heart. That is until he breaks it again, as he always does, by going back to supporting the biggest government program of them all.

On the day before DeMint appeared on Fox News in support of the tens of thousands of anti-government protesters who gathered on 9/12 in Washington, D.C., he gave the following comments on the Senate floor: "Today marks the eighth anniversary of America's war on terror ... It's crucial to remember now, as the terror and tragedy of that day recedes into the past, this war did not begin with the 9/11 attacks or when we sent troops to Afghanistan, and it will not end when we defeat terrorists on any battlefield. Our goal cannot be merely to end one war but to win the war on terror. We will not win trying to appease the grievances of our enemies. They do not hate our policies; they hate us, our freedoms, and our way of life."

DeMint could not be more wrong.

Do Islamic terrorists find American democracy weak, our culture too libertine, and our comparative materialism repugnant? They sure do, and their Koran even says all sorts of nasty stuff about Christians, Jews, and other infidels. But blaming 9/11 or the current terrorist threat exclusively on the anti-Western prejudice of Islamists is like blaming alcoholism on an addictive personality while completely ignoring the substance of the problem — the alcohol.

The overwhelming, primary motivator for Islamic terrorism is our interventionist foreign policy. Our own government intelligence makes this crystal clear. A would-be Islamic terrorist might cringe over Playboy or gay marriage in a faraway land, but the substance of his hatred is the presence and activity of the U.S. in his homeland.

In the 1990s, the U.N. estimated that over a half-million Iraqi children had died as a result of U.S. sanctions; the Iraq War alone has resulted in the deaths of somewhere between 100,000 and one million Iraqi civilian casualties. Now, the number of American "infidels" on Muslim holy land — a primary complaint of Osama Bin Laden in 2001 — has now increased tenfold.

Plenty of Americans believe the U.S. is justified in invading any nation it sees fit in order to avenge the deaths of the 2,998 civilians killed on 9/11. The idea that Islamic terrorists simply hate our "freedom" — and are not seeking retaliation for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of their Muslim brothers and sisters — is dangerously naïve. The terrorists attack us here because we are over there. Period. And in 2009, more of us are over there than ever.

DeMint strikes me as a patriotic guy who bought into the same narrative many Americans did post-9/11. Today, the junior senator finds himself as a primary spokesman for many of these same Americans — only this time they want to go to war against the Democrats' big government agenda. So do I.

But it makes no sense to protest the big government of the Democrats while still promoting the big government of the recent Republican past. DeMint's clarion call on the eighth anniversary of 9/11 to defeat a vaguely defined enemy by achieving some undefined victory is a recipe for eternal war, a foreign policy that not only almost guarantees another terrorist attack, but completely negates the senator's otherwise limited government message. Sen. DeMint seems like a genuine man who truly believes in small government, but he has yet to confront the glaring contradiction between his domestic and foreign policies, an irreconcilable conundrum many conservatives continue to harbor.

Men on the Right like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Rep. Walter Jones, Sen. Tom Coburn, the late Robert Novak, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, columnist George Will, and others have cut out a more sensible, less interventionist foreign policy path that conservatives can feel comfortable exploring. There's not a chance in hell that neoconservatives like John McCain or Lindsey Graham would ever step foot down this path. But DeMint has never been a neocon; he could easily hang up the world's policeman badge and become the limited-government conservative he has always strived to be. In doing so, he would serve the Right well — and America even better.

Our two greatest threats are terrorism and big government. The Democrats have long loved big government and Obama seems intent on continuing with a Bush-style, interventionist foreign policy. Republicans have decided to fight this president's domestic agenda, but most are lining up to encourage Obama to mimic Bush by turning Afghanistan into his own $3 trillion war. For both our security and debt, limited government must finally be applied both home and abroad. The Democrats are completely wrong, and the Republicans remain at least half-wrong.

I'm sorry, but having to choose between the jackass party and the half-assed party is no choice for me.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: bush; demint; obama; paulestinian; rontard; southernavenger; talkradio
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To: Terpfen

Jesus, are you for real? If you’re not going to even read the evidence backing the claim that is widely accepted by the intelligence community and instead feed more more 2002 Weakly Standturd catchphrases, you’re not even worth debating. Just crawl under your bed, clutching your copy of David Frum’s book, scared sh*tless that the muslim hoards will be coming over the hills any minute.


21 posted on 10/07/2009 10:57:49 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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To: RAO1125

Thank you for your concession, albeit wrapped in an ad hominem temper tantrum.


22 posted on 10/07/2009 10:59:45 AM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: RAO1125

So I take it that you believe a unified Korea, with little Kimmie as dictator, would be a good thing?


23 posted on 10/07/2009 3:06:26 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

One less country to defend, for nothing. History shows the countries we screw with or try to “convert” (Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, ect) remained Communist or socialist while those left alone to decide their own destiny eventually threw off the shackles of Communism (with the exception of China).


24 posted on 10/07/2009 4:25:06 PM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican
Its our job to push for peace and freedom because no one else on this planet will.

That statement is ironic considering your tagline.
25 posted on 10/07/2009 4:54:41 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

“If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life”

You claim this as your tagline, yet you’re willing to deny it to anyone who disagrees with you? But you don’t consider yourself hypocritical, now, do you? Amazing “logic.”


26 posted on 10/07/2009 8:40:26 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican
To the three posts immediately following mine, which seem to have “talking points”, either way. My tagline, yes, I do think they are workable. Did you think the people of the Soviet Union enjoyed communism? What about the people of China? The government and people are always separable. The government is not exclusively the people and vice versa. On an individual level I want to be left alone. Going after governments is not necessarily telling people how to live. Since you seem to be so content on the appeasement of enemies, this will be my last response to this post. Thanks for the discussion.
27 posted on 10/08/2009 1:06:12 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: randomhero97

That statement is ironic considering your tagline.

No its not.

Definition of freedom-the power to exercise choice and make decisions without constraint from within or without; autonomy; self-determination.

If you libs would figure out that the government and the populace are not the same things, then you would get on board. The U.S. of A. is not mutually exclusive with the U.S. Government.


28 posted on 10/08/2009 1:11:30 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: dcwusmc

Government-the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration:

Population-the common people of a community, nation, etc., as distinguished from the higher classes.

Let’s see, being against governments that prevent the practice of freedom? Yes, my tagline still fits. You NEED to learn that the government and populace aren’t always the same thing. Soviet Russia and Communist China did not allow their people to participate in the governing process, that is not freedom.


29 posted on 10/08/2009 1:16:43 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

The populace gives their governments the mandate. If said populace does not approve of said government then it’s the said populace’s choice to remove said government. It’s the people’s choice if they want to be free.


30 posted on 10/08/2009 1:43:47 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97

Just like it went so well for 30 million Soviet residents right? Or for German citizens under Hitler right?


31 posted on 10/08/2009 2:03:07 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: randomhero97

Under the Khmer Rouge? Chairman Mao?


32 posted on 10/08/2009 2:07:44 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

Let’s be clear here: You are saying that we, the American PEOPLE, should push freedom in the world, but that the Government of the United States should keep its nose OUT of foreign affairs? If THAT’S your point I can agree with you.

(Oh, and my response was based on my reading of your post AND your tagline, completely independent of others who saw the same irony as I did... Great minds DO think alike...)


33 posted on 10/08/2009 12:56:00 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: randomhero97

Sorry, I don’t buy mandates. Whether its Obama, Clinton, or Reagan. Saying a president has a mandate, um, no. They are still accountable to the American people. If you say a president has a mandate then Obama and the current congress should have already passed healthcare, the stimulus should have had no criticism, and Obama should have already been able to close Gitmo. The only way a mandate could be clearly given is if we were to take a vote ourselves on every issue. You can give a mandate in a democracy, not a representative republic.


34 posted on 10/10/2009 10:04:33 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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