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To: wintertime
I know Steven Thayn personally...we are not going to change this overnight. His proposl is a start to get the family moved to the center piece in education, and to give them the wherewithall to get the best education for their children. Private schooling and the vouchers therefor follow or occur in conjunction with that.

As more state's recognize the need for this, to empower family and use that as the centerpiece for providing social services, including education, then the other movement will follow.

Rep. Thayn understands this and is presenting here in Idaho the rational to begin deconstructing the federal and state fgovernment beheamouths that have grown up around "public " education...and he is having success.

13 posted on 10/03/2009 11:14:53 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
While I agree his proposals are an improvement, and they can be a step toward a full solution ( complete privatization).

However....

We must start with the language that we use regarding government schooling. One of the first words that must be dropped is “reform”. Why? Government schools can NOT be reformed because socialism can be reformed.

Government schools are like a great, big, dead, socialist, beached whale. It is impossible to do CPR on a dead socialist beached whale. A dead whale can NOT be “reformed”! It needs to be completely buried.

How do we do that? Answer: We hack off little chunks of the rotting carcass at a time. We must do all the following simultaneously:

1) Wherever there are vouchers, tax credits, charters, and magnet schools, long waiting lists form. These parents quickly organize themselves in bleating crying political action groups. Good! The legislators will not be deaf to their cries. These small schools will provide the infrastructure needed for the eventual complete privatization.

2) We must work to starve government education of money. We can do this through property tax initiatives.

3) Teachers, themselves, have in some rare instances voted to make their schools into Green Dot charter schools. This needs to be encouraged.

4) I agree with Steven Thayn that any child of any age should be allowed to take the GED. If he passes, he should be allowed to attend college with all the rights to scholarships and loans that older students enjoy. Every year this is proposed in my state, and every year the teachers unions kill the bill.

5) I also agree with Thayne that children should be allowed to take tests that would prove their competency and allowed to progress at their own speed.

6) Courses for all grades should be posted on-line so that any child of any age could progress in their own home, at any time, at their own speed.

5) Conservatives should immediately stop giving any money to liberal/Marxist colleges and universities, and set up private education foundations ( as described in the above post). If conservatives would do this, we could immediately begin to get kids out of the government schools.

6) Finally...With the infrastructure in place, parents should be expected to gradually take on the full financial responsibility of educating their own children with charity paying for the poor.

15 posted on 10/03/2009 11:46:14 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Jeff Head

This should read:

because socialism can NOT NOT NOT be reformed.


18 posted on 10/03/2009 11:48:02 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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