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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes; yefragetuwrabrumuy

I liked his post very much too.

What I got from the article is that much of the village was complicit with the Taliban. In that case it needed to be made an example of. No “culture” and nothing there to preserve as in the case of Dresden, it would have been understood by the most backward of people, especially by the most backward of people.

There is no resistence where there are no survivors.


9 posted on 10/03/2009 1:01:03 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The Russians tried that, and it didn’t work. Reprisals are war crimes, and should stay that way.

Afghans are not likely to ever LIKE us. They respect strength, and they are not cowards, but neither are they rational people.

If an American doctor sees a man’s teen daughter and saves her life, the Afghan man feels compelled to KILL his daughter. How do you win the hearts and minds of a people who will kill their own daughters and wives?

Meanwhile, Pakistan provides a safe haven for the Taliban.

So how do we win? By making a 100 year commitment (or at least a 50 year one) to provide security and bring them into at least the 15th century...

Don’t want to do that? Then you might as well pull out.

Afghanistan is the reason the neutron bomb was invented. Too bad we don’t have a bunch to use.


11 posted on 10/03/2009 1:21:41 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Not exactly what I was talking about. Massacring people and wiping out their culture are two very different things. For example, in Iraq, the US military did such a good job of showing a better way of doing things, that even tribal leaders with a vested interest in their jobs thought it was a better system of leadership.

From the start, Afghanistan needed a MacArthur(PBUH) constitution imposed on them. Everyone and anyone who wanted to be in the government would have to do it the hard way, with performance of the new system. Caste, connection, wealth, are all meaningless to the promotion of new government employees.

It is downright Pavlovian. They have to be retrained so that they no longer believe that positions of authority are first, for personal enrichment, second, to reward their friends, and third, to punish their enemies. This is not easy. So at first their jobs are assembly line rubber stamping. Repetition, don’t make waves, don’t change anything. Do it exactly the same way every time for a long time and you get promoted. Get creative, you fail and you stay where you are.

Next, because the minimum wage in Afghanistan is tiny, we could have literally employed most of the men in every troublesome district. Work for free food, and your family gets your pay. And any man walking around not employed is a suspect. Great, huge public works programs to help rebuild national infrastructure, on a budget.

Then set up a system of militarily protected enormous boarding schools for children, and actually pay a stipend to parents to surrender their kids for five years of intense schooling by western standards. Feed the kids up and teach them as much as you can as fast as you can.

The idea is to train them so that they will be the next generation of political and business leaders.

Finally, organize the women, so that they are gainfully occupied while their men and children are away. Bluntly this is reeducation, but it is also teaching them that they have spines and are human beings. Personally, I would require every woman to carry a knife on her person at all times, and all other women to enforce the rule, so that they would no more dream of going out in public without their knife than without their clothes.

Yes, it would be a major cultural purge, and yes, the US military would be doing the very same thing as it is right now. But eventually at least we would start to see some cultural dividends in what are right now people trapped in a hell of their own making.


13 posted on 10/03/2009 1:44:27 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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