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To: paudio
Am I wrong?

I think you are probably right. Although this is a matter of a bit of obscurity due to the changing laws on the subject, the British law that made Obama a British colonial subject at birth may not have operated to that effect if he had been born out of wedlock to his British father.

I think the evidence is that Obama's parents WERE married (otherwise a divorce would not have been needed) and that Obama WAS a British subject at birth, and that he was not, therefore, a natural born citizen of the United States. I believe that this is the classic example is who the Framers intended to bar from the Presidency by their use of the phrase: someone who could be claimed as a national by Great Britain.

34 posted on 10/03/2009 2:50:37 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
I think the evidence is that Obama's parents WERE married (otherwise a divorce would not have been needed) and that Obama WAS a British subject at birth, and that he was not, therefore, a natural born citizen of the United States. I believe that this is the classic example is who the Framers intended to bar from the Presidency by their use of the phrase: someone who could be claimed as a national by Great Britain. 

Further proof is how Chester A Arthur successfully covered up his British born father
He was frantic to do this because his cover-ups took place in 1880-1890
When the Constitution was fresher and its intent was clearer
The liberals and progressives have obscured and muddied up the Constitution since then
36 posted on 10/03/2009 4:29:13 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: John Valentine
I think the evidence is that Obama's parents WERE married (otherwise a divorce would not have been needed) and that Obama WAS a British subject at birth, and that he was not, therefore, a natural born citizen of the United States. I believe that this is the classic example is who the Framers intended to bar from the Presidency by their use of the phrase: someone who could be claimed as a national by Great Britain.

Whether Barry himself was a British national at birth under British law, is of no import. The citizenship status of his father at the time of his birth is what counts, at least under the Vattel "Law of Nations" definition of "Natural Born Citizen".

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

BHO Sr was not a US Citizen, so BHO Jr cannot be a Natural Born US Citizen. (That quote is from the 1852 translation by Chitty, however. The original French said "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens." The original French said "naturels, ou indigènes" apparently the translator turned the order of terms around. The earlier, British, translation said "natives, or indigenes". The founders would have read the original French version anyway.

51 posted on 10/03/2009 9:06:13 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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