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The Attempted Murder Of Conservatism
IBD Editorials ^ | October 2, 2009 | THOMAS MCARDLE

Posted on 10/02/2009 5:37:44 PM PDT by Kaslin

The editors of two of the country's most powerful publications, conducting a gloat-fest over the corpse of Reaganism last week, described their idea of true conservatives: Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham asked a remarkable question of Sam Tanenhaus, editor of the New York Times Book Review, in New York's Greenwich Village Wednesday evening: "Isn't Barack Obama the most significant Burkean in American politics today?"

"Burkean" refers to Edmund Burke, the 18th-century British parliamentarian who sympathized with the freedom-loving revolution in America while vehemently opposing the anarchistic revolution in France.

Tanenhaus, author of an impressive biography of ex-Soviet spy Whittaker Chambers, has just published "The Death of Conservatism," accusing today's conservatives of perverting Burke's vision.

Meacham and Tanenhaus provided a glimpse of the strange planet on which America's dominant journalists live.

According to Tanenhaus, "the engine of industrial capitalism" causes more upheaval than do leftist radicals.

Tanenhaus called ex-President Clinton "a classically conservative figure" and charged that the muscular conservatism of the predominant wing of the Republican Party is "in opposition to much of what America does."

While merciless toward the right, the two were nearly servile regarding Obama. Meacham praised the president's restraint in showing "no interest in gun control or universal health care."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: conservatismisdead; deathofconservatism; neoconservatism; rinos; samtanenhaus; tanenhaus

1 posted on 10/02/2009 5:37:44 PM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 10/02/2009 5:38:47 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

"Isn't Barack Obama the most significant Burkean in American politics today?"

That has to be the ultimate in Frankfurt School Alinskyite Fabian Socialist
dissembling. And wins this week's Twilight Zone Award.

3 posted on 10/02/2009 5:41:38 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Kaslin

“On the other hand, to Tanenhaus most influential modern conservative writers and thinkers, like Charles Krauthammer, Michael Barone and even the late William F. Buckley Jr., of whom Tanenhaus is writing a biography, are not true Burkean conservatives but extremist “revanchists.””

McCardle is evidently not much brighter than Tanenhaus. Charles Krauthammer was a Democratic Party speechwriter all during Reagan’s presidency. Barone has always been a centrist Republican. Only Buckley had any claim to being the conservative of the three.


4 posted on 10/02/2009 5:51:32 PM PDT by Pelham (Obammunism, for that smooth-talking happy -face communist blend.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
"Isn't Barack Obama the most significant Burkean in American politics today?"

That has to be the ultimate in Frankfurt School Alinskyite Fabian Socialist dissembling. And wins this week's Twilight Zone Award.

And how! Liberals really have no brains.

5 posted on 10/02/2009 5:52:06 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: stripes1776; Pelham; Kaslin
This debate about who is and who is not a "Burkean" derives from discussions
George Will and Garry Wills had during the 1970s. Who is and who is not a
"conservative" - an older debate going back to Russell Kirk, Clinton Rossiter,
Peter Viereck, and Richard Hofstadter's hatchet job on the conservative
movement. Nothing original here, just the targets.
6 posted on 10/02/2009 5:56:22 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sauropod

read


7 posted on 10/02/2009 6:05:40 PM PDT by sauropod (People who do things are people that get things done.)
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To: Kaslin
described their idea of true conservatives: Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry! I couldn't get past the first line.

This is nothing more than an Orwellian attack on the word “conservative”! Do this often enough and the meaning of “conservative” will be destroyed just like the Marxists have destroy the words: gay, progressive, liberal, justice, equality, democratic..etc.

8 posted on 10/02/2009 6:22:29 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Garry Wills of course went Left. And George Will went milquetoast. Were Russell Kirk still alive he would likely be denounced as an evil Paleo by the opportunists who have stolen and abused the conservative mantle in recent years.


9 posted on 10/02/2009 6:46:52 PM PDT by Pelham (Obammunism, for that smooth-talking happy -face communist blend.)
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To: wintertime

Tanenhaus is a worm, anything he writes should be disregarded with extreme prejudice! saw this prick with faux intellectual O’Reilly tonight...what a bubble brain waste of empty suits!


10 posted on 10/02/2009 6:47:06 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Pelham

They might have been better off with Jeff Spicoli
explaining conservatism and the philosophy of Edmund Burke.


Whoa, dude!

11 posted on 10/02/2009 6:54:34 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

That role marked the apex of Sean Penn’s acting career. Not that he was acting in that role, he was simply being himself.


12 posted on 10/02/2009 7:05:27 PM PDT by Pelham (Obammunism, for that smooth-talking happy -face communist blend.)
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To: Kaslin
Never mind Meacham, Sam Tanenhaus is the real issue here.

This New York Times Book Review editor is alleged to be ‘a smart conservative.’

Facts on record do not support this.

Tanenhaus is a Rockefeller, cocktail conservative at best:

[”We were having a drink in a crepuscular bar on a warm summer evening in one of the hotel watering holes in the West 40s, between Grand Central Station and the old New York Times building, not far from the old offices of The New Yorker. It was a good place to meet and talk about Tanenhaus’s new book, The Death of Conservatism.”] http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-29/heartless-conservatives-unite/?cid=tag:all1

Tanenhaus is with the NRO RINO attacking Palin. They are very jealous of her success stopping ObamaCare with a Facebook posting:

[”On MSNBC Friday, anchor John Harwood spoke with New York Times Week in Review editor Sam Tanenhaus about the health care debate, wondering: “...you know an awful lot about the patron saint of modern conservatism William F. Buckley. What do you suppose Bill Buckley would think of the nature of the arguments that are being made against the Obama health care plan right now, death panels and all the rest?”

Harwood, hosting the 2:00PM ET weekly New York Times Edition broadcast, was asking about Tanenhaus’s upcoming book, ‘The Death of Conservatism.’ Tanenhaus argued: “Well, you know, one of the great contributions Bill Buckley made to conservatism was to move it toward the center. And one way he did that was to repudiate in a very forceful way what was then called the lunatic fringe.”

At that time, Harwood interjected: “The John Birch Society.” Tanenhaus continued: “And they weren’t necessarily a dangerous group, but what they did was discredit serious conservative arguments.” He then made the comparison to the current health care debate: “...and we may see in the days ahead where serious responsible Republicans and conservative thinkers say if they’re going to make a forceful argument the country can accept, they’ll have to cut themselves off from this more extreme view.”] http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/08/14/msnbc-uses-william-f-buckley-bash-health-care-opponents

Most telling is that Tanenhaus, like his fellow cocktail sipping nancy boys, DOESN’T GET PALIN.

[”Ms. Palin’s emergence as a national candidate was itself the outcome of tension within the party. Mr. McCain’s top choices were said to include Tom Ridge, the former governor of Pennsylvania and Mr. Bush’s first director of homeland security, and Senator Joseph I. Lieberman. Each was an experienced and prominent official. Each had established his strong loyalty to Mr. Bush, the party’s unrivaled leader. But both were also deemed insufficiently conservative by the party’s rank and file, and so were passed over. Mr. McCain’s inability to assert his will in this crucial matter was a clear sign of party fractiousness. And the sudden, dramatic emergence of Governor Palin — and the controversy that instantly greeted her candidacy — created the impression that Republican strategists had acted without the careful planning that had characterized their previous campaigns.”]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/weekinreview/05tanenhaus.html

13 posted on 10/02/2009 7:25:30 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: Pelham

He should reprise the role in a sequel.
A married Spicoli, still a stoner slacker type, but...
undergoing the ordeals of parenthood in 21st-century southern California.
Bail money for DUI arrests, etc.
His own children checking him into Betty Ford, picking him up from rehab...

14 posted on 10/02/2009 7:28:39 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: iopscusa

I know, saw him too and had to flip away in disgust. What a repulsive physical creature. if you sprinkled salt on him, he’d dissolve and leave a slick trail in your garden.


15 posted on 10/02/2009 9:59:35 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Mamzelle
What a repulsive physical creature. if you sprinkled salt on him,
he’d dissolve and leave a slick trail in your garden.

HEY!....Are you insulting (the noble :) garden variety slug?
...its which serves a (very) useful purpose.
but, I agree they are very very low (evil) creatures.
...the slug deserves your proper respect.


16 posted on 10/02/2009 10:18:40 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: "Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan"...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
This debate about who is and who is not a "Burkean" derives from discussions George Will and Garry Wills had during the 1970s. Who is and who is not a "conservative" - an older debate going back to Russell Kirk, Clinton Rossiter, Peter Viereck, and Richard Hofstadter's hatchet job on the conservative movement. Nothing original here, just the targets.

I am afraid that George Will is the only person I know about from your list. But what is a conservative is a question worthy of debate.

I have not read a great deal of Burke, but what I have read I like very much. Most of what I have read is his criticism of the French Revolution and the morality of Rousseau that the revolutionaries supported. Rousseau's morality proposed a generalized concern for humanity in the abstract as a substitute for the hard work of self-control and duty. Egotism would replace humility as the primary virtue. It seems to me this is still a valid way to see the difference between left-wingers and conservatives. (I avoid the word liberal because the political left is not liberal. Burke was a liberal English gentleman, liberal in the sense of taking a wide and liberal compass on life in order to think about a great many things.)

17 posted on 10/02/2009 11:30:52 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: skinkinthegrass
While I've been known to scold those who rag on people's looks, the left sure has some physical specimens that elicit icky shudders. This guy's whiny, sniveling voice, his effete mannerisms, his pasty complexion--he should stay off TV.
18 posted on 10/03/2009 11:00:36 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: skinkinthegrass
While I've been known to scold those who rag on people's looks, the left sure has some physical specimens that elicit icky shudders. This guy's whiny, sniveling voice, his effete mannerisms, his pasty complexion--he should stay off TV.
19 posted on 10/03/2009 11:00:36 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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