China's New Missiles Can Hit U.S. Ships, Taiwan

Newsmax.com ^ | 9/29/2009 | Reuters

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Upgraded missiles will feature prominently in China's military parade on Thursday which celebrates 60 years of Communist Party rule, the Xinhua news agency said, citing a commander of the service that controls nuclear weapons.

Foreign observers will be watching to see what weapons the People's Liberation Army shows off.

[Citizen Tom Paine]

We can be reasonably certain that the old Soviet Union had capable anti ship missiles before they disintegrated. There is no reason to believe that they did not share and are not now sharing their technology with the ChiComs. In addition one can assign a high probability that the ChiComs are trying to develop effective anti ship missiles on their own because of the Taiwan situation.

As an aside, I believe if it floats on the surface of the ocean, it will be detected in a timely manner and sunk. I also think that if a war goes nuclear it will first do so at sea because of carrier battle groups.

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

I agree with you 100 percent.

[fish hawk]

I like this one better: US missiles can hit any Chinese City or military installation with nuclear warheads.

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

I agree

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Here is the C802 anti-ship missile

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Thanks for pointing it out. I forgot.

[myknowledge]

SS-N-22 Sunburn.

[Colorado Doug]

US missiles can hit any Chinese City or military installation with nuclear warheads.

At least for now, until Obama has his way with our nuclear arsenal

[Soothesayer9]

Does that include subs getting nuked as well?

[Kevmo]

Posted by Kevin OMalley to nickcarraway
On News/Activism 01/12/2005 12:07:37 PM PST · 17 of 25

Here is my swag on what is going to happen in Taiwan, posted on an earlier thread, “China Rapidly Modernizes for War With U.S.”.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285398/posts

1) The one-child policy has created a testosterone-rich generation the likes of which no one on earth has ever seen. China will have an entire army of what they call “little dictators” who have few prospects of finding women, and they will be very aggressively pushing their old-guard superiors for action on the Taiwan issue. The final straw will be that they’ll be promised wives when they invade Taiwan.
2) Their army is as much as 200 Million strong, which was the size predicted in Revelation in the Bible, called “The Kings of the East.” They can afford casualties in the range of 10 million, which is 5 times bigger than our army ever was. China has some unfinished business with Vietnam, having fought to a standoff in 1979. They might do a run through Vietnam first so that their troups are more battle-hardened and arrogant, knowing that the US didn’t exactly win there. The added bonus is they get one of the largest warm water ports in the world.
3) Taiwan has never declared independence. It’s not like the brave Estonians standing up to Russia when communism fell. They’re like an impudent child claiming to have sovereignty over China. Their fatal miscalculation is that they know they’ll need Americans to fight for them if they are in a war, but Americans will be reluctant to shed blood for an ally that didn’t have the courage to declare independence until they were invaded on an “internal dispute”. The chinese will hammer away at this in the press.
4) Chinese weapons policy has been to cycle through older generations of weaponry and stay about one generation behind the latest stuff. They sold their old silkworm missiles to the Iranians and used that money to upgrade their newer missiles, which are inferior to US missiles but they only need to be functional. The plan is to overwhelm defenses with superior numbers. No ship can stand up to 50 supersonic silkworm missiles aimed at it. They have similar tactics for other systems, such as anti aircraft missiles.
5) The chinese went up against Americans in Korea. They sent in 300 thousand infantry up against a much smaller American force. The key was that they only had rifles for about 1 in 5 personnel. So they would tell one to go as far as he could till he got shot, then the 2nd one would pick up the rifle & keep charging, and so on. Today, every one of those infantrymen has an automatic rifle. They are not as well equipped as their US counterparts but they can afford a lot of casualties. Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia and other engagements proved that you can’t replace feet on the ground with air superiority. No matter how advanced the air force is nor how many smart bombs get dropped, the US won’t be able to dislodge a standing army without sending in massive troup numbers and experiencing casualties. If our press made a big deal about losing 1000 US soldiers in Iraq, they’ll have a heydey with 500 thousand casualties. Seeing the press reaction emboldens the Chinese.
6) China is building a blue-water navy including submarines. They might be able to achieve a standoff in the surrounding ocean, limiting the ability to resupply american troups while the chinese troups will pillage Taiwan. Once America loses 2 nuclear powered aircraft carriers (with the resulting radioactive plumes), the calculation is that the U.S. will lose stomach for more fighting.
7) The trick to defeating these strategies with minimal casualties will be special forces operating in Taiwan. They will need to have the ability to direct standoff weapons fire onto individual tanks and squad units in order to be effective.
8) The most likely outcome will be that Taiwan will be a giant pile of rubble. Casualties could run as high as WWII.
If China wins, it could be a Pyrrhic victory. If the US wins, it will take a whole generation to repair and rebuild.

I think the Chinese view towards weakness or perceived weakness is a little bit like how Germany viewed the U.S. after we sent 10,000 men wandering in the hills to find Pancho Villa, to no avail. The Germans perceived it as weakness and went ahead with their war plans.

9 posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:47:37 PM by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Thanks.Very Interesting

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I don’t think the pursuit of Pancho Villa affected German plans one way or the other. It may have played a part in the Zimmer Telegraph, which was a diplomatic disaster for the Germans, and possibly as important as the sinking of the Lusitania in drawing the U.S. into the War.

The Germans had a fair high regard for U.S. capabilities (Bismark’s famous judgment: the most important fact of the twentieth century is that the Unitied States speaks English.) Why the U.S. went to war to prop up the British Empire for another generation is an open question.