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New missile defense plan bets on Navy interceptors
Breitbart ^ | Sep 30 01:26 PM US/Eastern | RICHARD LARDNER Associated Press Writer

Posted on 09/30/2009 10:38:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

WASHINGTON (AP) - Ever since President Ronald Reagan proposed building a ballistic missile shield in 1983 to prevent a doomsday scenario, the idea has been dogged by an unanswered question: Will it work?

The prime target during the Reagan era was Russian missiles. A scaled-down defensive system recently proposed by the Obama administration would aim to shoot down warheads from Iran, which has heightened concerns by building a clandestine uranium enrichment plant and test firing missiles this week with a range of up to 1,200 miles.

But even as the U.S. prepares to meet on Thursday with Iranian officials in Geneva over the regime's nuclear ambitions, the administration's reliance on missile defense to guard against the unthinkable still amounts to a gamble.

Components of the latest system have shone in controlled test environments, but the new plan relies heavily on radars and ship-based interceptors that haven't endured real battle conditions.

"We're not building all these missile defense systems because we're worried about Iran firing a rocket with TNT on it," said Philip Coyle, the Pentagon's chief of weapons testing from 1994 to 2001. "We're worried about nuclear weapons, and nobody knows whether missile defenses can work with nuclear weapons going off."

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aegis; aegisbmd; missiledefense; obama
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1 posted on 09/30/2009 10:38:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Aegis based missile defenses are great for defending the Fleet, but how many ships would have to be on station in perpetuity to defend Europe and the ME?
2 posted on 09/30/2009 10:45:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy
Good question...but Obama is just interested in a rhetorical defense....

Link to article spelling out his philosphy on defense:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2351564/posts?page=16#16

3 posted on 09/30/2009 10:51:31 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: massgopguy

Hate to give him credit, but OWEbummer may have gotten this one right. AEGIS BMD has proven itself far superior thus far in tests against anything else DoD has tried. As well, it successfully took out the doomed satty last February and, besides, a ship can move around the more than 75 percent of the earth that is water...a fixed ground station cannot and is vulnerable to terrorist and other attack as well!


4 posted on 09/30/2009 11:01:44 AM PDT by meandog (GWB IS the reason for BHO!)
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To: meandog

What about the questions of having enough ships....?


5 posted on 09/30/2009 11:10:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: elhombrelibre; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; blam; SunkenCiv; SandRat; ...

fyi


6 posted on 09/30/2009 11:12:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: massgopguy; meandog
Related thread...from Feb.

US anti-missile ship to dock in Haifa

7 posted on 09/30/2009 11:16:10 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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The ship will remain in Haifa for three days.

Guess that is over....

8 posted on 09/30/2009 11:17:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
New missile defense plan bets on Navy interceptors

The Army-Navy game still isn't for a few months.

9 posted on 09/30/2009 11:18:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh please. As if. This admin is DUMB.


10 posted on 09/30/2009 11:25:38 AM PDT by GeronL
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Raytheon Standard Missile-3 Intercepts Target in Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System Test

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Feb 24, 2005 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- PACIFIC MISSILE RANGE FACILITY, KAUAI, Hawaii, Feb. 24, 2005 /PRNewswire/ -- The Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) Weapon System and Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) destroyed a ballistic missile outside the earth's atmosphere during an Aegis BMD Program flight test over the Pacific Ocean. Raytheon Company develops the SM-3. Lockheed Martin develops the Aegis BMD Weapon System.

The Feb. 24 mission -- the fifth successful intercept for SM-3 -- was the first firing of the Aegis BMD "Emergency Deployment" capability using operational versions of the SM-3 Block I missile and Aegis BMD Weapon System. This was also the first test to exercise SM-3's third stage rocket motor (TSRM) single-pulse mode. The TSRM has two pulses, which can be ignited independently, providing expansion of the ballistic missile engagement battlespace.

The SM-3 was launched from the Aegis BMD cruiser USS Lake Erie (CG 70) and hit a target missile that had been launched from the U.S. Navy's Pacific Missile Range Facility on Kauai, Hawaii.

11 posted on 09/30/2009 11:32:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: GeronL

I suspect it is a money driven strategy.....and if it leaves us weaker....Obama is ok with that...see #3.


12 posted on 09/30/2009 11:35:07 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

There are reports (MissileThreat.com) that Iran has adapted mobile medium-range missiles for deployment from the decks of cargo ships.


13 posted on 09/30/2009 11:37:50 AM PDT by Spirochete (Texas is an anagram for Taxes)
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To: dfwgator

lol


14 posted on 09/30/2009 11:45:26 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Decent piece below....mirrors many points made here about enlarging the Aegis fleet, range issues and effectiveness.

New missile defences in Europe
Shooting down a plan

http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14515370

....Having ships permanently on station is costly. Even with an updated version (the Block IB update of the SM-3 missile, now due to be introduced in 2015), seven ships deployed in European waters could provide only patchwork protection. Maintaining it permanently would need more than the 18 Aegis ships that America now has. In a crisis, ship-based defences could “surge” only temporarily.


15 posted on 09/30/2009 11:59:25 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: meandog

Here’s a pretty cool THAAD flight test video, shooting down a Scud-type missile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9079GWS0hfU

Here’s another video of a June 2008 THAAD test:

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/thaad/THAADVideo1.html


16 posted on 09/30/2009 12:00:20 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: swarthyguy; meandog; GeronL
Thanks....Excerpt from your linked article:

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So on September 17th Barack Obama’s administration abruptly abandoned previous plans for a powerful missile-defence radar in the Czech Republic and ten interceptors in Poland. Instead, it will deploy smaller radars closer to Iran on land and on Aegis missile-tracking ships. These would be armed with the less potent Standard Missile 3 (SM-3). As the kit becomes more powerful, initial inkspots of protection would grow, covering all of Europe by about 2018 (see maps).

17 posted on 09/30/2009 12:09:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We must understand people in the military and defense market are providing zero with options. Zero is not telling someone like Vice JCS Marine General Cartwright what type ABM system would be most effective within the mid east hemisphere. They are telling zero what may be best deployed in the near future.
So for the time being at least I'll give zero a pass on this particular issue.
18 posted on 09/30/2009 1:45:04 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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...even as the U.S. prepares to meet on Thursday with Iranian officials in Geneva over the regime's nuclear ambitions, the administration's reliance on missile defense to guard against the unthinkable still amounts to a gamble.
Thanks Ernest. "Best defense is a good offense" ping.
19 posted on 09/30/2009 3:48:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hussein's defense is against the truth.

He is sympathetic to the Islamic Republic of Iran, and antipathetic to Israel.

The true thrust of his actions is to provide Iran time to develop its nuclear warhead and missile combination.

You say his is a "rhetorical defense".

This is found filed next to the "virtual barrier" on our southern border.

He takes Valerie Matrix on the Magical Mystery Tour as the 42d warrier is killed in Afghanistan in the month since McChrystal's request.

The market is down, tax revenue is down, and the next round of cuts will be borne by defense.

It could all be made right by putting Ahmadinejad on the menu.

A videogame for which we are superbly equipped.

20 posted on 10/01/2009 1:06:39 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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