Posted on 09/29/2009 1:59:04 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
Updated at 4:05 p.m. ET with vote on Schumer amendment.
A key Senate panel shot down two amendments on Tuesday afternoon to add a government-run health insurance plan to its health care bill.
Getting to the crux of the nation's current health care debate – whether there should be more government involvement in health care -- the Senate Finance Committee spent hours debating the merits of a government plan, or "public option," before voting down two separate proposals.
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Yeah but don’t be fooled. Repubs need to vote against anything they propose unless it is:
1. Tort Reform
2. Nationwide open competition.
They did at least a little something right.
What we need to watchis how easily the rest go along with this. If those opposed to removing the public option will vote for it anyway, then you know it’s still in there somewhere, or will be.
Also, what about mandatory health insurance, is that still in there? Increased taxes and fines? A lot to look at.
Worth REPEATING!!!!!!!!
RINOS LISTEN UP!!!!!
1. Tort Reform
2. Nationwide open competition.
NOTHING More and nothing Less!!!
Expect for the billions in tax revenue saved and lower health costs.
Get It????
This is What Americans WANT!!!!!
The problem is, if they pass ANYTHING, it will be highly destructive. Because then they will tweak it and add to it.
Although Hillarycare was shot down, she managed to get enough stuff through to screw up our vaccine production in this country, and also to make healthcare much more expensive than it was, what with healthcare regulation, paperwork, “privacy” laws, insurance regulation, and the rest of it.
But I think this is good news, because it will discourage some of the moonbat congresscritters, so there may be less chance that they will be able to get 60 votes for it.
I think something needs to be done to help people with pre-existing conditions.
I’m not sure what. I have a daughter with epilepsy, and this is a huge concern for me when she because an adult.
I am not buying it. They merely voting down calling the public option “the public option”.
The pre-existing condition thing is a touchy subject. On the one hand, as you’ve experienced, it’s a pain in the rear for consumers. But on the other hand, there are folks out there that would take advantage of a situation if there were no pre-existing clauses and only purchase insurance when needed, then cancel the policy when not needed. That would drive insurance costs way up.
I don’t think we’ll ever see pre-existing condition clauses disappear altogether. But they do need to be relaxed ... a lot.
Yep, we gotta watch them like hawks. They are going to start calling the "public option" a "non-profit co-op". They may even tweak the "rules" a little bit. But it's still government run health care.
I also think that this could be one separate issue.
I personally think there should be 1 bill for tort reform and 1 bill for competition between the states.
I like the idea of breaking down the issues instead of putting them all together in 1 massive bill that no one can read or understand.
Exactly!!!
Future elections have consequences too. These libtards are just trying to pull their bacon out of the frying pan until after 2010. If there is any sanity left in this nation, they won’t have to make those hard decisions after that election.
One thought is to see if there are mechanisms in baseball freeagency to be learned here for health care. Many teams see the need to unload an expensive baseball player for one reason or another, and another team wants him. There is a mechanism here for team A (ie, the "previous" insurance company) to transfer a player (ie, patient) to team B (the "new" insurance company).
The trick is to watch for what they DO come up with...
I admit I have not read the bill that they are proposing...is it posted somewhere?
Just as a for instance...if ANY bill they propose has the same Section 1 in it as does HR 3200...then the bill is worthless!
In Section 1 of HR 3200 is the description of the duties of the Health Care Commissioner (Commisar). That section has explicit language in it that says the Health Care Commissioner will make ALL DECISIONS about your health care, private or public options with the input of the Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission, formerly Dachle’s death panel Council which was federally funded in HR 1, the Porkulus Bill.
All the language beyond Section 1 of HR 3200 or any similar bill is simply putting in place the bureaucracy, and means absolutely nothing about what health care you get.
THAT decision will be made, either private or public option, by the Health Care Commissioner (Commisar)
luckystarmom wrote:
Yeah but don’t be fooled. Repubs need to vote against anything they propose unless it is:
1. Tort Reform
2. Nationwide open competition.
I’ll agree with you on #1. Liability reform first and foremost.
Behind that, I would add as my highest priorities:
luckystarmom wrote:
I think something needs to be done to help people with pre-existing conditions.
I’m not sure what. I have a daughter with epilepsy, and this is a huge concern for me when she because an adult.
I agree there is a problem here. I think the MSA and catastrophic coverage would help this. People like your daughter would still have out of pocket expenses for the deductibles, but returning insurance to a risk pooling business rather than prepaid services would reduce the cost for your daughter without unduly burdening everyone else.
I also think that lifetime caps are a problem for a few people, but that could be handled with state run “high risk catastrophe pools.” Insurers could contribute to the pool fund on a per policy premium basis, and over $250,000 per year or over $10,000,000 lifetime, people would draw from the pool fund instead of running out of coverage (or the state forcing the insurance companies to pay until they go broke). It could be almost like flood insurance, but I would rather it be privately funded than have the government involved.
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Wonder what Nasty Nan has to say about this. She keeps saying no public option (gov. controlled) no bill. This could be fun. Get you popcorn here, get your hot popcorn here!
Yes, that’s why we MUST get out the vote in 2010 and get rid of as many of The New Party commies out of Congress as posssible.
Nasty Nan is pro’bly having to change her Depends hourly! ROFL!
It has little to do with good sense and more to do with political expediency.
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