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To: Man50D
Ruth Buzzy is correct. Her Grandson IS a "Natural Born Citizen" of the USA.

Ref; US Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, section 1401.

Paragraph (g) in the above also 'proves' Barry IS a 'Natural Born Citizen'.

9 posted on 09/29/2009 4:49:18 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51

Barry was born to a Kenyan and an under age American girl...that does not sound the same to me....


11 posted on 09/29/2009 5:08:19 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Condor51
TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
Part I - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization

US Code, TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 Ruth Buzzy is correct. Her Grandson IS a "Natural Born Citizen" of the USA.

Read it again. Her grandson is not a natural born citizen. Nationalized means naturalized per the title above.

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

The statute therefore does not also prove BO is a natural born citizen.
13 posted on 09/29/2009 5:16:17 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Condor51

If you’re having to refer to statute, then that’s not natural born citizenship.

Congress was enumerated power over immigration and naturalization, only. Laws on the books must be construed to deal with immigration and naturalization only, as a result. Otherwise, such statute would be unconstitutional.

All citizens have the same rights and duties, excepting as the Constitution makes a distinction, and only the Constitution makes any distinction.

That distinction being eligibility to various national offices, by age, plus length of residency or birth status, increasingly narrow as the level of official capacity increases.

Natural born citizenship only pertains, legally under the Constitution, to the Executive branch, regarding eligibility to the Office of President. Eligibility to succeed the President in turn implies the requirement upon the line of succession.


14 posted on 09/29/2009 5:22:57 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Condor51

US Code CANNOT define a Constitutional term, such as “Natural Born Citizen”.

If it could, then we could simply redefine words in the Constitution to mean whatwever we wish and to hell with the Amendment process.

And, NO, her grandson is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen” and neither is my son, born in Jakarta, Indonesia to US citizen parents. Sorry, but both you and Ruthie are wrong on this - in her case guilty of wishful thinking. In your case, well I just don’t know.


33 posted on 09/29/2009 7:04:02 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Condor51

so according to your theory, a foundling of unknown parentage and uncertain place of birth is a Natural Born Citizen..yeah that’s the ticket/s


34 posted on 09/29/2009 7:06:31 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Condor51
Under Sec. 1992 of the revised statutes, the same Congress confirmed and adopted as law the principle in regards to determining citizenship at the time of birth:

“All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be “citizens” of the United States.”[note the word citizen, not “natural born citizen”]

Rep. Bingham(a framer of the 14th Amendment) commenting on Sec. 1992 said during debate on the difference between ‘natural born” and ‘born” citizenships under the 14th Amendment:

“It means every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of “parents” [emphasis plural] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of our Constitution itself, a “natural born” citizen.”

Natural born citizen is ONLY mentioned in "1" place in the constitution, in the qualifications for President! also...

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that “No Person except a natural born Citizen…shall be eligible for the Office of President,”

c. The Constitution does not define “natural born”.

The “Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization”, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat.103,104) provided that, “…the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born … out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”

d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes.

103 posted on 09/29/2009 8:37:55 PM PDT by patlin
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To: Condor51
Ref; US Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, section 1401.

You can quote the section of 8 USC 1401 that uses the term "natural born" or even the word "natural" ... can't you?

....

Of course, I know you can't.

110 posted on 09/29/2009 10:49:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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