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To: wolf78; Lonesome in Massachussets; domenad; alice_in_bubbaland; goodnesswins; DannyTN; ...
FROM MATT, POLAND TO ALL WHO HAVE READ THE ARTICLE.

First of all, the computer-made translation is so accurate that the only words that come to my mind are - PIECE OF SH*T!

To make things clear, the article refers to so called Polish Jokes, commonly spread all across America where a regular Pole is depicted as a complete moron.

Little do Americans realize that the so called Polish Jokes mainly originate from Nazi Germany Goebbels propaganda.

This article aims at responding stereotypes by means of stereotypes, and has nothing to do with real opinion the Polish people has about Americans.

All began in early 90’s when Poland was beginning to shape her post-communist system, and America was ruled by democratic Bill Clinton.

In 1990, having in mind what Ronald Reagan had done to Poland’s independence, 92% of Poles were enthusiastic about America with absolutely proatlantic views. At that time, the European Economic Community (predecessor of the EU) wasn't the place Poland wanted to invest her future - we looked to United States only! We waited for the clear signal, a clear message from across the ocean, for the signal that never came!

Little do you realize that when the first Gulf War broke out, Poland secretly came with all her intelligence structures to the aid of America, saving many American CIA agents trapped in Saddam's Iraq and giving them tons of priceless information about Iraqi military facilities, since the Polish building companies had built them in former communist times.

To realize the attitude of George Bush (senior) administration to Poland it's enough to say that Poland became the official representative of US interests in Iraq after USA had broken her diplomatic relations with Saddam's regime.

Such close strategic bilateral contacts unfortunately ended when Bill Clinton came to power. Any plans of Central European countries of integrating with American economic, political and military structures suddenly vanished like a phantom.

Many influential Polish politicians and commentators realized that the only way out to escape from the post communist grey zone between former USSR and the Western World is to join the European structures. Since 1993 all Polish diplomatic efforts were directed to it. Although that wasn't the dream of Poles, since the way to the West led through Germany, there was nothing we could do about it.

The alternative was: join the EU or stay outside exposed to claws of the Russian bear. George W. Bush's presidency didn’t do much to change that. While Polish soldiers shed their blood in Iraq and were the staunchest US ally, EU press (especially German) mocked Poland mercilessly. "You see, stupid Poles, we Germans give a damn for America and we can do anything we need. We can travel to USA, even buy houses there, while all you can do is to give them more stupid Polish boys to be killed for US oil business in Iraq. Perhaps, who knows as miracles happen, in return, you will be honored by not being fingerprinted on their airports, let alone traveling to USA without special visas ".

Even this article, published by a German freeper wolf78 includes such primitive satisfaction and irony between lines.

So, Americans, don't be surprised with the article like this. The feeling of sourness is ubiquitous in Poland. That 92% of 1989 turned into some 50% in 2009 and you just earned this, while Obama has only hammered the last nail to the coffin, as a Polish saying goes.

We, the Polish, have our honor. Being expelled through the front door, we never try to come back through the backdoor.


By the way, Mr Wolf78, sooner will you see snow in the Sahara than a Polish and a German in such a friendly embrace.

Poland's gold medal winner Anna Rogowska and two exequo silver medal winners, US Chelsea Johnson (right) and Poland's Monika Pyrek make a round of honor under their national flags after the Women's Pole Vault final during the World Athletics Championships in Berlin on Monday, Aug. 17, 2009.

80 posted on 09/29/2009 4:03:43 PM PDT by Matt_Rel
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To: Matt_Rel

I have nothing but respect for the Poles. As a matter of fact, I’ve inherited some blood from that great Country.


81 posted on 09/29/2009 4:12:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Matt_Rel; All
Little do you realize

You've picked the wrong forum for the "little do you realize" line. Poland's friendship towards, alliance with, and assistance to America is well understood here on FR. I think, perhaps, if you read the thread you'll find that

a) We don't take the "insult" against us very seriously

b) We think that Zero is treating Poland badly

c) We're more disgusted with Hussein 0bama than you are.

83 posted on 09/29/2009 4:20:16 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Matt_Rel
Polish jokes were popular for a short time in the 1960s but I don't think I have heard anyone say one in the last 40 years. I don't believe they were invented by the Germans--rather it's a question of a class of jokes that happens to be directed at a certain group of people for no good reason. When I was in Ireland I saw a book of Kerry jokes, directed against people from County Kerry, which were very similar. I was told once by a European that there the jokes were directed at the East Frisians. In fact, there are ancient collections of jokes of this type directed at people from such-and-such city.

I have never been to Poland but have always wanted to visit there someday. I hope I don't find that Poles hate all Americans because of one arrogant twit in the White House. I didn't vote for him, and won't vote for him when he runs again in 2012, 2016, 2020, etc.

87 posted on 09/29/2009 5:04:24 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Matt_Rel

I consider Poland to be an upright country. It is us (or shall I say our leadership) that has let you down.


88 posted on 09/29/2009 5:56:30 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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Poland is alright in my book. Lately I understand they’ve been trying to bring up the birth rate among native Poles, reversing a general trend among European nations. I say, the more the merrier!


89 posted on 09/29/2009 8:33:29 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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By the way, Mr Wolf78, sooner will you see snow in the Sahara than a Polish and a German in such a friendly embrace.

Is that you, vox_PL?

Seriously, dude: Chill! I posted it under political humor and gave the necessary context, namely Obama's retraction on promises made to Poland. Which you agree to, BTW.


90 posted on 09/30/2009 1:13:25 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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So how many billions in military aid was the U.S. supposed to give Poland for the honor of spending billions more to build a missile shield to defend her? I’d heard that it was $50 billion but I can’t believe it was that high.


94 posted on 09/30/2009 4:14:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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I remember how exciting things were when the Berlin wall fell. The revolution that took part in Poland was incredably inspirational to all who valued freedom. America was represented by a true leader (I love Ronnie)! That is when america and Poland seemed so united in their love for freedom. My husband is 50% Polish, he enjoys a good polish joke now and then (I don’t think he knows the origin of the Polish joke). The person who wrote that article either doesn’t remember, or doesn’t want others to remember how close the relationship between our two countries was. I do see alot of damage has been done, but I really hope Poland can hang in there until we figure out how to treat our friends well and our enemies like enemies, and not the other way around. I hope that the Polish people realize that this administration is really not representative of how Americans feel about the Polish People. Thank you for clearing up the article, it was difficult to figure out exactly where they were going with this!


95 posted on 09/30/2009 5:03:11 AM PDT by marstegreg
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