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To: Idabilly

Thank you for implicitly accepting my point that secession was not in response to an actual violation of the Constitution, but rather because the southerners had their feeeeelings hurt when northern abolitionists pointed out the immoral nature of their peculiar institution.

(The euphemistic nature of this popular term, BTW, reinforcing the fact that even southerners could not make a moral case for the institution they were defending.)


140 posted on 10/07/2009 7:20:30 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan
“Thank you for implicitly accepting my point that secession was not in response to an actual violation of the Constitution, but rather because the southerners had their feeeeelings hurt when northern abolitionists pointed out the immoral nature of their peculiar institution.

(The euphemistic nature of this popular term, BTW, reinforcing the fact that even southerners could not make a moral case for the institution they were defending.)”

What abolitionist? Spooner?

Again, More liberal tactics — Are we a Nation of laws or morals?

Speaking of Spooner——

The question of treason is distinct from that of slavery; and is the same that it would have been, if free States , instead of slave States, had seceded. . . .

The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals.

No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle—but only in degree—between political and chattel slavery. . . .

The North has thus virtually said to the world: It was all very well to prate of consent, so long as the objects to be accomplished were to liberate ourselves from our connection with England, and also to coax a scattered and jealous people into a great national union; but now that those purposes have been accomplished, and the power of the North has become consolidated, it is sufficient for us -— as for all governments—simply to say: Our power is our right.

In proportion to her wealth and population, the North has probably expended more money and blood to maintain her power over an unwilling people, than any other government ever did. And in her estimation, it is apparently the chief glory of her success, and an adequate compensation for all her own losses, and an ample justification for all her devastation and carnage of the South, that all pretence of any necessity for consent to the perpetuity or power of government, is (as she thinks) forever expunged from the minds of the people. In short, the North exults beyond measure in the proof she has given, that a government, professedly resting on consent, will expend more life and treasure in crushing dissent, than any government, openly founded on force, has ever done.

And she claims that she has done all this in behalf of liberty! In behalf of free government! In behalf of the principle that government should rest on consent!

142 posted on 10/07/2009 8:11:55 PM PDT by Idabilly
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