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Two Rafales Crash Off Aircraft Carrier
Avaition Week ^ | 9/24/2009 | Christina Mackenzie

Posted on 09/24/2009 7:12:52 PM PDT by Yo-Yo

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To: Yo-Yo

I hate to say this but if they went down together and they only found one pilot, the other one is probably still in the plane or drowned after getting out. Not much information to go on(as it should be with any military event until investigation is complete). I hope and pray he is alright.


21 posted on 09/24/2009 8:07:13 PM PDT by celestron71
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But they list the top speed at 27 kts. That’s crawling for a nuke. Either they are keeping the real speed classified (we list the Nimitz class as 30+ with the emphasis on the +) or they never worked out the problems they were having with the ships reactors.

Problems are inherent. They decided to use their standard sub reactor. Even though they used two of them, the amount of power needed to push a torpedo shaped sub underwater does not compare to the amount needed to push a much bigger carrier.

Especially as building dock space was limited, so the ship is shorter and fatter than it should be, giving a higher block coefficient.

Plus the "hotel load" power requirement for a carrier is much greater than a sub with a limited crew and machinery.

If that's not enough, when they divert steam to the catapults, they lose a knot.

22 posted on 09/24/2009 8:11:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Hello, Mr. President we honor you today For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!)
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To: GonzoGOP
I found this picture of CdG next to the Enterprise. It just doesn't seem to have the right proportions. It is sort of what a kid might draw an CVN to look like. Even the Kuznetsov, not exactly a successful ship by any stretch of the imagination, at least looked like it could mess you up. I know she is a serious fighting ship but the CdG just doesn't have that "you are so dead if you screw with us" look of the US CVN's. Even tied to the dock in San Diego a pair of Nimitz class carriers just scream Don't Tread on Me.


23 posted on 09/24/2009 8:13:14 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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I found this picture of CdG next to the Enterprise. It just doesn't seem to have the right proportions.

It doesn't. As I mentioned above the problem was trying to build a ship the same length as the previous Clemenceau class but 50% heavier.

The Clemenceau was a successful attempt to produce a smaller ship with an improved "Essex SCB-125" layout. By replacing the two forward lifts with one better placed with respect to the forward catapult and clear of the landing area, they were able move one of the forward catapults to amidships.

With the Charles de Gaulle everything goes pearshaped.

The longer forward catapult pushed the location of the forward lift aft, where it would cut into the landing area. That means the lift has to be moved to the deck edge, displacing the island superstructure forward (where the CAG does not want it), the new location of the island means the forward catapult has to stay on the port side, where it cuts into the landing area, meaning no simultaneous landing/takeoff operation.

Compare what can be done with the original layout and a bit more hull length as in the 60s British CVA-01 design

The longer flightdeck means the forward lift can be moved aft, and still be clear of the landing deck. And the forward catapult can be located on the starboard side, well clear of the landing deck.

24 posted on 09/24/2009 9:03:18 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Hello, Mr. President we honor you today For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!)
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To: GonzoGOP

You’re kidding right? The thing is hardly putting out a wake. And what is it with the muckledung yellow and splotchy deck coloring? The thing looks like it has been sitting off Algers or Morocco for years blistering in the sun.


25 posted on 09/24/2009 9:38:07 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Sheesh. Not enough to protect the carrier let alone a battle group.


26 posted on 09/24/2009 9:41:39 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: GonzoGOP

HAHAHAHA I count about 30 aircraft on the DECK of the Enterprise. Comapared to seven for the DeGaulle. I guess all the space is taken up by the wine cellar.....


27 posted on 09/24/2009 9:44:57 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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28 posted on 09/25/2009 4:23:58 AM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Having served on US carriers and seeing planes and pilots lost at sea, there is nothing funny in this story.

PS: Viva la France!


29 posted on 09/25/2009 7:11:39 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: GonzoGOP

I saw a show that had footage of the high speed rudder tests of the USS Reagan and seeing a ship that large moving that fast and banking through turns like that was amazing.


30 posted on 09/25/2009 12:32:55 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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/mark


31 posted on 09/27/2009 10:21:56 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace ( There was a hole here. It's gone now)
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