[[His model defined what information “is.”]]
ah- didn’t know that- I thought it was about the communication of info- This owuld then make it information theory
[[Williams’ metainformation is a horse of a different color. His is not a mathematical model of that class – it is an interdisciplinary complex systems theory focused on the rise of functional complexity in biological systems.]]
Yeah that makes sense- quite different than desribing how informaiton is communicated- more a case of describing the heirarchy of information and the need for a designer- top down annalysis- He I think more hsows the final result, and shows that nature isn’t capable of creating the heirarchy needed for fitness and complexity
[[As a Christian, I immediately see this unreasonable effectiveness of the math (Wigner) as God’s copyright notice on the cosmos.]]
Math isl ike Latin to me- My eyes glaze over when confronted by it lol
[[He doesn’t skip over first cause. He entails first and final cause in the circular model.
And the only arrow of time he retains is essentially Shannon’s mathematical theory of communication in a continuous case, e.g. message, encoding, channel, decoding.
As long as the material system is closed to efficient cause, by his definition, it is alive. Again, his definition: “a material system is an organism if, and only if, it is closed to efficient causation.”
He is speaking of material systems, not spiritual ones. And he is not saying the material system is closed to other causes.]]
I’m gonna have to take soem time when I’m rested to see the connections or disconnections- too tired right now to link everything
[[But in common parlance, the term is often used to mean not altogether “here” as in perceptible to the physical senses.]]
Yeah- that’s what the Gost hunters were kinda saying- the dimension of ‘past times’ is here- we just don’t perceive it well (well somethign to that effect)
[[And I suspect that was the thrust of the ghost hunters’ conjecture, that the spirit of the departed is kind of here and there all at once.]]
Yep- it’s soemthing they call ‘Residual haunting’- the ghosts just carry on as though they haven’t passed away, and do the same routines over and over again, like goign to the kitchen for dinner, goign to bed, or playing in a band etc (one of hteir tests was to recreate the era band music to try to stir up more ‘ghost activity’, hoping hte ghosts would feel in their element hearing the music they were familiar with
[[By my discernment, this is not incompatible with Scripture. Jesus appeared in the midst of a closed room, the temple, ark, Holy mountain and Eden/paradise are seen in both heaven and earth. And we are advised to be cautious, that we may be entertaining angels unawares, ]]
Yeah- I beleive in angels appearing and evil spirits manifesting, but not in people’s souls hanging around between heaven and hell- to be absent of hte body is to be present with hte Lord (or to be sent hte other way depending on whether someoen accepted Salvation or not)
[[Jewish mystics have described the firmament as not being a matter of geometry, physical here and spiritual there, earthy here, heavenly there - but rather a boundary between the material and spiritual. Some have conjectured it might have something to do with the speed of light (the speed limit of the universe) – or the vibration of strings in string theory.]]
Yeah- the string hteory is somethign I’ve always wanted to explore further- but never got aroudn to- sounds quite interesting.
[[It is my testimony that I am truly dead and alive with Christ in God. Or to put it another way, I am more aware of being alive in Him than I am of being alive in the flesh.]]
That is somethign I can’t quite get a grasp on myself- I know how I should feel about it accordign to God’s word, but the physical just overwhelms the fleshly experiential for me I’m afraid
[[Information (Shannon, successful communication) by the way is what I believe Einstein and Newton missed. Both of them reasoned that there was a Creator but both of them died before the insight of information theory, and I suspect they would have reasoned differently had they known.]]
Sure3 owuld have liekd to have seen hteir reasoning on the subject
[[But we who have “ears to hear” discern Jesus, Logos, the Word of God, speaking to us. We perceive not only that we are a message being communicated, but that there is also a spiritual message which we can and do receive which enlivens us. The new person we are is a new spiritual message being communicated. Therefore we understand it is not about the flesh, that His words truly are spirit and life.]]
It’s certainly a very humbling experience to know that the Omniscient God chose to create to convey his Omniscience in such a powerful manner- He did so not for His own self-congratulations, but rather for our wide-eyed amazement upon discovery
you:That is somethign I can’t quite get a grasp on myself- I know how I should feel about it accordign to God’s word, but the physical just overwhelms the fleshly experiential for me I’m afraid
When you look in a mirror, think about what you are seeing. It's just an image of your body. It's not you.
hosepipe uses the metaphor of a donkey and its rider to illustrate the distinction. You are the rider, the physical body is the often obstinate and needful donkey. But for now, he's how you get around.
C.S. Lewis put it this way: "You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."