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To: Alamo-Girl; CottShop; GodGunsGuts
The second issue you raise, metainformation, is related not to the mathematics of successful communications (Shannon) but rather to the content of the message itself which is something completely irrelevant to Shannon's model!

This is why on previous threads I summarily rebuked Alex Williams' (et al) narrative. They rudely diss Shannon for not addressing the content of the message itself which is something a universal mathematical model must never do. If it did, it would not be portable among knowledge disciplines.

Yes, it bothered me too that Alex Williams did that. I thought he was dissing Shannon for not doing something completely extraneous to what Shannon's main purpose was, a theory of successful communications per se — that is, something quite independent of any particular message content. It was to describe the "medium," not the "messages." And it has been amazingly successful in doing just that.

Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for this marvelous essay/post!

661 posted on 10/11/2009 12:10:41 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your encouragements, dearest sister in Christ!


665 posted on 10/11/2009 1:08:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl

[[Yes, it bothered me too that Alex Williams did that.]]

Yep- it bothered me too- it;’s almost like he got a bit hot under the collar about hte issue- not sure why- Williams and Shannon address two different issues, but related- it woudl seem there woudl be agreement, but Williams kinda reacted funny about hte whole thing


668 posted on 10/11/2009 1:53:05 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; CottShop

To this day, nobody has been able to explain to me why it is innapropriate for experts on all sides of the biological information debate to relegate Shannon information to the more or less trivial end of the information research spectrum. It’s not just Alex Williams that takes this position, Dr. Gitt (a creationist information theorist) basically says the same thing in his book “In the Beginning was Information,” as does Dr. Meyer (an IDer) in his book “Signature in the Cell,” as do a multitude of materialist information theorists.

Here is what Dr. Gitt has to say about Shannon information (quite extensive):

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/itbwi/statistical-view-of-information

Here is what Dr. Meyer’s book has to say regarding the same:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/sewing-the-seeds-of-biologys-post-shannon-information-era/


669 posted on 10/11/2009 9:07:28 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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