[tacticalogic]

I don’t htink it woudl be a model, simply because the IC is more than the parts- Nature can’t create the necessary info or IC- too tired to noodle this over today- will have to htink this through more tonight- but basically an ID was needed to do what nature coudl not model naturally. If life was nothign more than naturally occuring info building and building, connecting and connecting, then I guiess it woudl be a model, but IC in species is above and beyond thsoe simplistic ‘law following’ connections- God does use laws, but He also went above and beyond creating what nature was incapable of creating (mainly info and metainfo, but also IC systems that defy natural means)

You've just constructed a model of "nature", complete with built in assumptions of what it can and cannot do.

[CottShop]

those aren’t assumptions, they are tested evidences- and again, IC is beyond a simple natural model because nature can’t stepwise build the IC, nor can it provide the info and metainfo needed to keep the species fit and thriving

[[You’ve just constructed a model of “nature”,]]

Well no- because nature is incapable of providing hte necessary ‘non species specific info’ needed to move species beyond hteir own kind- again, this isn’t an assumption, this is proven out in various experiments where mutations- the primary vehicle behind the hypothesis of macroevolution- showed that nature (somehtign hte experiemnts were modelling) can only work on ifo already present (and not very efficiently either-) but can not produce new non species specific info needed to move the species beyond it;’s own kind- it can only really create less fit- less thriving abominations (with occassional neutral effects- which incidently also results in loss of info)

You could perhaps argue that God had a ‘model’ of construction/creation/assembly- but again, you have to argue that His model is ‘above’ nature- supernatural (even htough certain natural laws are used- there’s still the element of supernatural inthat He provided Designed IC and info and metainfo (perhaps not info- but definately metainfo) that nature could not provide-

Will think more on this tonight