First, I get forgiveness when I go to confession and I don’t have to accept Christ as my savior again because I did that as remaining a Catholic after my baptism as an infant.
Who put the bible down in writing? The RC Church.
Who was the first pope? Peter, Christ’s disciple.
I don’t have to be “born again”. I was born once and that’s all I need to go to heaven.
I believe that all the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, animists, Wiccans, etc, and even atheists that live good lives will go to heaven. They will find that their view was incorrect, but they will be there.
Believe what you want, but don’t force other people.
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Now onto science:
What GGG and his group post here is religion masquerading as science. Put his threads in the religion forum (where there are a lot of threads with discussion of the Roman Catholic religion), and we wouldn’t be on here.
I’m talking about using this site as a reference in an argument. It is NOT a valid scientific reference.
GGG posts creationist MAGAZINE ARTICLES, not a reviewed journal where original experiments are done, reported in detail with results and conclusions are drawn from the data presented. What he posts are usually incorrect reviews of real journal articles with opinions sometimes used as references, with a paragraph tacked on the end that god did it (with no proof that he did).
On the few times he does actually cite real articles (his favorite seems to be Project Encode related papers) he lacks the education in the field (which he admits) to correctly understand the papers.
Again I ask, your side asked for a civil debate. It is up to you (your side) to show your scientific evidence first. We are waiting.
[[Believe what you want, but don’t force other people.]]
LOL- first of all- I beleive God’s word, and when He says that we must be born again- I beleive it- Secondly- Golly- Hope I didn’t twist your little arm too severely?
[[I don’t have to be “born again”. I was born once and that’s all I need to go to heaven.]]
mmmm Hmmmm- Better read the book the RC church translated because oyu’rew flat out wrong- woudl be a pity to have gone all through life and miss the mark when the gift of salvation was so free and freely available to you but you refused God’s gift- but whatever-
[[I believe that all the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, animists, Wiccans, etc, and even atheists that live good lives will go to heaven.]]
Then you certainly do NOT beleive God’s word- not sure what ‘religion’ you practice, but it certainly isn’t the one God speaks of in His word
[[They will find that their view was incorrect, but they will be there.]]
Yeah- judgement day is goign to be a real bummer for a lot of ‘religious people’
[[First, I get forgiveness when I go to confession and I don’t have to accept Christ as my savior again because I did that as remaining a Catholic after my baptism as an infant.]]
Tell me- did you understand that Christ died for your sins and that YOU needed to ask for forgiveness and salvation when you were an infant? No? Didn’t htink so-
[[GGG posts creationist MAGAZINE ARTICLES, not a reviewed journal where original experiments are done, reported in detail with results and conclusions are drawn from the data presented. ]]
Bzzzt- Wrong! blatant lie!- Those articles include scientific research
[[On the few times he does actually cite real articles (his favorite seems to be Project Encode related papers) he lacks the education in the field (which he admits) to correctly understand the papers.]]
Bzzzt- wrong again- He shows quite an adequate understandign of what hte science is stating- What you really mean is that GGG doesn’t agree that the biologically impossible hypothesis of macroevolution happened, like you do, so therefore, He ‘couldn’t possibly be right’ right?
[[Again I ask, your side asked for a civil debate. It is up to you (your side) to show your scientific evidence first. We are waiting.]]
Again- FR is full of myriad examples- knock yerself out
[[What he posts are usually incorrect reviews of real journal articles with opinions sometimes used as references,]]
Bzzzzt- Wrong again! What he posts exposes the scientific IMPOSSIBILITIES facing macroevolution- You can wave it away and pretend GGG and others ‘don’t understand’ the evidence, but hte evidence IS clear- I have yet to see you or other evos address ANY of the actual issues, and all we EVER get fro myour crowd is ‘Nuh Uh- you just don’t understand’ That isn’t a refutation of the evidences- that’s just simple bias masquerading as an ‘argument’- Here’s a thought (not that you’ll ever concider it because apparently your understanding of hte issues is inept at best) Debate the3 issues- and end the silly accusations- point out WHERE the evidence is wrong, why it is wrong- and when you do so- show actual evidence that shows what you claim is true and that nature did somehow manage to violate several key scientific principles- Dirty chemicals can NOT give rise to metainformaiton- period- this isn’t opinion- this is simple fact- Dirty chemicals can NOT purify themselves, this isn’t opinion, this is demosntratable fact- Nature does not have the means to provide metainformation- fact, not opinion- on and on it goes- Amino acids can not produce protiens- never been observed, can’t be demonstrated- fact- not opinion
“”There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
To understand this Biblical term, it is necessary to understand that there are TWO BIRTHS. The “first” birth is the PHYSICAL BIRTH when you were born into this world from your mother and father. When the Bible speaks of being “born of water,” it is speaking about the physical birth (NOT baptism). The “second” birth is a SPIRITUAL BIRTH, which means to be born of the “Spirit” (God’s Holy Spirit). This raises a couple of questions: Why does a person need to be born spiritually?...and, What is a “spiritual” birth?
God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 2:17, “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Notice, God said they would die “the day that thou eatest thereof.” Interestingly, Adam and Eve DIDN’T die physically the day they ate the fruit and disobeyed God’s command. The reason is because they died SPIRITUALLY. Sin had entered the human race. The Bible teaches that from Adam until present time, mankind has been born spiritually dead, inherited down from Adam’s sin. This is why humanity MUST be born-again. This is only possible through the Holy Spirit of God, which makes us alive again (quickeneth the Bible says) by faith in Jesus Christ as our Savior. “
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/ye_must_be_born_again.htm
Woops- there I go again- ‘forcing’ you to beleive what the bible says- Golly- life must be rough eh? Hope I didn’t twist your arm too hard lol
I say this to you, respectfully and with love:
you said: “I don’t have to be “born again”. I was born once and that’s all I need to go to heaven.”
Bible says: John 3:3 Jesus answered unto him (Nicodemus), “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
You said: “I believe that all the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, animists, Wiccans, etc, and even atheists that live good lives will go to heaven.”
Bible says: John 14:6 Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.”
and Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: 9=Not of works, lest any man should boast.”