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To: mnehring; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; FreedomProtector
Just a point of clarification, they have. A process known as autocatalysis has been observed. Basically, scientists combined amino adenosine and pentafluorophenyl ester with the autocatalyst amino adenosine triacid ester (AATE).

Next thing you know polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is going to be termed as abiogenesis by some.

The most amusing thing here about the presumed evidence for abiogensis is that the narrative begins, "Basically, scientists combined amino adenosine...."

And surely these predicate constituents were present in some anoxic primordial soup?: "pentafluorophenyl ester with the autocatalyst amino adenosine triacid ester (AATE)"

For the organic chemists out there one will certainly recall commonly observed and well-characterized aliphatic ester chain reactions which are understood in short hand as:

AcOC*HR +O2 -----> AcOCH(OO*)R

where the ester link is understood as "R-O=O", "R" is the AA link and "O" is the abbreviation for oxygen. Even the Miller-Urey experiment originally intended to support the premise of abiogensis fell apart on the oxidation point.

Even more interesting, this experiment demonstrated the possibility that autocatalysts could exhibit competition within a population of entities with heredity, which could be interpreted as a rudimentary form of natural selection.

"Heredity"? "Natural selection"? Something without predicate information, nor a plan to specify the information, nor evidence of even the simplest notochord is now credited with making self-designed "choices" as to "selection"?

"Demonstrates the possibility...." Translate: "Not that we actually observed it, and we are reading an awful lot into this here, but...."

Ribosomes correct misplaced code. There is a biochemically programmed expectation within them to recognize flaws and to repair them. Computer programs are designed to do something similar on your motherboard.

Will you now also attribute some sort of an innate sentience to ribosomes too? How about abiogenesis to your motherboard?

155 posted on 09/25/2009 6:25:43 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: Agamemnon

[[where the ester link is understood as “R-O=O”, “R” is the AA link and “O” is the abbreviation for oxygen. Even the Miller-Urey experiment originally intended to support the premise of abiogensis fell apart on the oxidation point.]]

Not only that- but hteir intelligently designed experiment, had to carefully isolate their created amino acids from the very energy which ‘created’ them in the first place- not to mention, they had to isolate left hand amino acids from right hand, as the two in proximity would immediately destroy each other

[[”Heredity”? “Natural selection”? Something without predicate information, nor a plan to specify the information, nor evidence of even the simplest notochord is now credited with making self-designed “choices” as to “selection”?]]

Yep- Nature- the ‘all natural’ intelligent designer which is capable of anticipation, science violating acts of miracles, and the ability to create metainformaiton out of nothing but simple dirty chemicals (which somehow, miraculously purified themselves as they evolved into species- forget the fact that nothing in nature is capable of purifying chemicals, but pfffft- Who needs facts when the hypothesis sounds so cut?)

[[There is a biochemically programmed expectation within them to recognize flaws and to repair them.]]

Woopsie- informaito n theory strikes again- This info apparently just assembled itself out of, once again, dirty chemicals (oh, and it assembled itself, and created the ability to forsee the future and code for possible species specific problems that might crop up later- again- Aint Nature amazing?)

[[Will you now also attribute some sort of an innate sentience to ribosomes too?]]

Sure- why not? Nature is the little miracle worker that we ‘just don’t understand yet... but one day we ‘might’


161 posted on 09/25/2009 9:03:20 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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