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Passing a Shell of A Bill: Congress’ Secret Plan to Ram Through Health Care Reform
The Heritage Foundation ^ | 09/22/09 | Brian Darling

Posted on 09/23/2009 7:04:56 AM PDT by Reaganesque

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So, Congress passed the stimulus package without the majority of it's members having read the bill. Now comes the ultimate abdication of responsibility and duty: passing a bill that hasn't even been written yet. Could this be any more un-democratic? 2010 can't come fast enough.
1 posted on 09/23/2009 7:04:57 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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You can say that again. 2010 will be a bloodbath.


2 posted on 09/23/2009 7:07:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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This is to be filed under “no Duh”. This was the Dem back-up plan all along.


3 posted on 09/23/2009 7:08:56 AM PDT by repubpub
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the liberal caucus of 57 Democrats, 2 Independents (Senators Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Bernie Sanders of Vermont), and a potential new member

Nelson (D- Ne )will never go along with this, unless he wants to be toast.

4 posted on 09/23/2009 7:15:20 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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Another reason why any bill passed anywhere in the country needs to be a ONE ITEM bill.

There is far too much ‘piggy-backing’ going on everywhere, especially in Washington.

It is downright fraud, IMO.


5 posted on 09/23/2009 7:15:25 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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This Communist Camel wants to get nis nose under the tent knowing after that ‘revisions’ can be attached as riders on all sorts on really necessary legislation. Its an old, old D.C. tactic perfected by the Libs.


6 posted on 09/23/2009 7:15:59 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The game is over by 2010.


7 posted on 09/23/2009 7:17:33 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Don Corleone

Spot on the money!


8 posted on 09/23/2009 7:17:37 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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“The game is over by 2010.”

Not unless we man every voting site, and count each ballot.


9 posted on 09/23/2009 7:18:37 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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Still, if politicians don’t listen to the American people, in 2010 many may have to reconcile the fact that they’re not Members of Congress anymore.- from the Human Events link above.

If politicians don't listen to the American People, it doesn't matter to the Republic that the Congress gets turned over in 2010. The damage will be done and irreversible unless THIS Congress can be induced to repeal in the first couple of months after passage. By November 2010 the bureaucracy will be, in large part, in place- even if they don't really have anything to do for a couple of years- and no Congress, not even a Conservative Republican Congress will dis-employ all those bureaucrats.

10 posted on 09/23/2009 7:18:43 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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There is no way they can make this dog hunt. Their odds of holding 60 votes for the process described here in the US Senate are slim to none. Even if they did, the House couldn't pass a health care bill that got 60 votes in the Senate without substantial changes. Nor can the Dems get 51 Senate votes to pass anything that can get through the House.

Inertia is about to triumph yet again. As the Republicans learned between 2000 and 2006, controlling Congress and the White House doesn't mean you can do much. It is much easier to play defense than offense in Washington.

11 posted on 09/23/2009 7:19:33 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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Not unless we man every voting site, and count each ballot.

It will simply not matter even a little who is in Congress in December 2010 if any form of this thing is passed and signed. It is irreversible and ends the Free Economy and, eventually (not long), the Republic.

12 posted on 09/23/2009 7:21:09 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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Buncha RAT bastards.

STEP THREE: Senator Reid will then move to proceed to H.R. 1586, a bill to impose a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients. This bill was the bill passed by the House in the wake of the AIG bonus controversy and is currently sitting on the Senate Legislative Calendar. Reid will move to proceed, and he will need 60 votes to act on this bill.

That may be the saving grace. Hopefully even the RINOS will see what a slimy, sleazy process this is.

2010 is a long way off. We need to keep pounding out the message. But it needs to be refreshed now and again so as not to become boring and repetitive. People are getting motivated. We need to keep that motivation in high gear for a year. A daunting task.

13 posted on 09/23/2009 7:22:09 AM PDT by upchuck (New sign on my pickup: Are you a "Hope and Change" regretter?)
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IIRC, something like this process was used to pass the initial bailout bill? Didn’t the Senate gut a bill on the agenda and sub in the text of the bailout bill for the vote? My concern at the time was the Constitution calls for money bills to originate in the House, and this one started in the Senate; but the process circumvented the House origination requirement, I think. I’ll have to do some more checking...


14 posted on 09/23/2009 7:26:02 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: arthurus; repubpub; Reaganesque; ridesthemiles; Don Corleone; gathersnomoss; fluffdaddy; ...
RE OBAMACARE: PASTE THIS ON YOUR BATHROOM MIRROR AND MEMORIZE IT . "Medicine is the keystone of the arch of the socialist state,” said Vladimir Lenin.

Once govt gets control of medical care, all the defining, controlling features of socialist govt can be introduced, one by one.

We ain't seen nuttin' yet. Obama’s got BIG plans, much much BIGGER PLANS for us.

Say goodbye to the US way of life.

15 posted on 09/23/2009 7:27:28 AM PDT by Liz
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Is it truly irreversible? I nkow that it is practically so, but is it literally so?


16 posted on 09/23/2009 7:28:00 AM PDT by getitright (Are you hoping to change back yet?)
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To: gathersnomoss
The game is over by 2010.

If we make it until then.
17 posted on 09/23/2009 7:29:18 AM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Liberals are terrible at math.)
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To: ridesthemiles

“Another reason why any bill passed anywhere in the country needs to be a ONE ITEM bill.

There is far too much ‘piggy-backing’ going on everywhere, especially in Washington.

It is downright fraud, IMO.”

Absolutely right!


18 posted on 09/23/2009 7:29:51 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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That may be the saving grace. Hopefully even the RINOS will see what a slimy, sleazy process this is

He doesent need any RINOS for this. All our hopes rest on Nelson and Landrieu and a handfull of cautious Democraps in conservative States. A thin reed, indeed.

19 posted on 09/23/2009 7:35:33 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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All our hopes rest on Nelson and Landrieu and a handfull of cautious Democraps in conservative States.

Who else...?

Time to get in touch with these folks.

20 posted on 09/23/2009 7:44:41 AM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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