Posted on 09/21/2009 10:11:47 PM PDT by Red Steel
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PLAINTIFFS’ PRELIMINARY RESPONSE TO DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO
DISMISS, to be supplemented by filing Plaintiffs’ Second
Amended Complaint on or before October 2, 2009
Come now the Plaintiffs with this their Preliminary
Response toDefendants’ September 4, 2009, Document 56
Motion to Dismiss (with reservation of rights to Respond
further by filing Plaintiffs’ Second Amended Complaint
on or before Friday, October 2, 2009).
POLITICAL RELATIVITY vs. CONSTITUTIONAL ABSOLUTES: IS THE
POLITICAL QUESTION DOCTRINE VIABLE AS A MEANS TO
EVADECOMPLIANCE WITH UNVARIABLE STANDARDS?
Fundamentally, this case comes down to a single
bifurcated question question: (1A) does the constitution
mean what it says when it lays down absolute parameters,
such as the age and citizenship qualifications to be
President, and (1B) to whom does the investigation and
enforcement of this constitutional provision: to the
Congress, the People, or can the President get by merely
asserting his qualifications without presenting evidence
which would be competent as Summary Judgment
(admissible) evidence under Rule 56 of the Federal Rules
of Civil Procedure? The Plaintiffs have brought their
complaint as a matter of first impression to ask this
Court to determine, find, hold, and rule that the
investigation and enforcement of this right belongs to
the people, even members of a discrete and insular
minority of the people, even if this group lacks
majoritarian political power. Plaintiffs respond to the
Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss and ask this Court to
rule, pursuant to the First and Ninth Amendments that
they may sue to enforce constitutional absolutes, such
as the constitutional requirements for President of the
United States. Plaintiffs assert an inalienable,
reserved right to sue for Constitutional conformity in
this case even though they concede that the Defendants
have shown that primary, first line actions could and
should have been taken by members of Congress or the
Electoral College, pursuant to the Twelfth and
Twentieth Amendments for instance. Case
8:09cv00082DOCAN,Document 56, Filed 09/04/2009, Page 2o
of 32: Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss at 13, ll. 114. Of
course, what Congress must do in the case of obvious
electoral deadlocks or recognized and admitted problems
with qualification for office is not at all the point
raised by Plaintiffs’ complaint and evidence.
Plaintiffs’complaint and evidence allege and confirm
that the Presidency in 2008 was taken by fraud, and not
even by fraud in the counting of votes, but by fraud in
the traditional common law sense of a material
misrepresentation of an important fact upon which
Plaintiffs could be reasonably expected to rely to their
detriment, and to the detriment of constitutional
government. The Constitution’s textual commitment of
this responsibility is a responsibility that Congress
has embraced. Both the House and the Sentate have
standing committees with jurisdiction to decide
questions relating to Presidential elections. Idem:
Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss at 13, ll 1517. Where
Congress has done absolutely nothing to investigate or
prosecute a question, Defendants’ position appears to be
that this very inaction or acquiescence by Congress
creates a presumption of legitimacy. Apparently,
Defendants would have this Court believe, hold, rule,
and accept that utter and complete inaction, stony
silence even by the Vice‐President of an opposing party
sitting as President of the Senate during the
certification of the electoral vote to Congress pursuant
to 3 U.S.C. §15, is and must be sufficient to satisfy
the people that the President has met the Constitutional
qualifications for office. Idem: Motion to Dismiss at
1314.
Excerpted, more here: KEYES-v-OBAMA-69-OPPOSITION-to-MOTION-to-Dismiss-Case-AND-MEMORANDUM-OF-POINTS-AND-AUTHORITIES-IN-SUPPORT-OF-MOTION-56-filed-by-Plaintiff-Pamela
Yeah, there were the Sanballats who tried to discourage us and told us that we were just “ Wasting our time “ ....
Or she's been sandbagging. Perhaps some of both. There is some of the "Old Orly" still in there. "fraud","truth, justice and the American way". (I really like that last, but will the Judge? ).
This is really good, and I wish it wasn't so late that I'll have to wait until morning to read it all.
I particularly like the citing of "DC vs. Heller" which was in turn citing Justice Thomas in "US vs Verdugo-Urquidez" for the definition of "the people", as applied to the first, second, fourth, ninth and tenth amendments. But that's just me. :)
Yes, what an excellent paper. Articulate, and driven.
If this is an example of what we will see on Oct 5,
I have high hopes.
Parts of it, but I don't think Keyes would have used the phrase "Truth, Justice and the American Way"..or would he? Maybe he was a Superman fan as a kid?
Any links to this, I have not heard about this.
Oookay. So, they can find something out now that they couldn’t find out before because the MTD has no merit? Is that it?
I think it could mean that Taitz and Alan Keyes may have kicked the DOJ's butts all the way back to DC from Santa Ana California. We'll have wait and see what the Judge thinks though.
I think there may be a lot more than we know going on in the background. There are a lot of wealthy people who have a lot invested in this Republic and society. They did not work all their lives to let some thugs from Chicago take this country down.
Make no mistake about it - they will cause tremendous and possibly irreversable damage to this country. I guess their is a lot of legal talent getting into the game in the case in front of Judge Carter. This is all in the background. Leo getting back in the game is interesting too.
I also think 9/12 was a wake up call. The liberal media and Dems may want to dismiss it but a lot of Blue Dogs and vulnerable Dems were paying attention like Hairy Reid.
I think, what I view, as a corrupt judiciary may be waking up. Judge Carter I believe is a rare bird and not part of the judiciary who appears to be running interferene for you know who. They also saw what occurred on 9/12.
I think Judge Carter will make a wise decision. If it is favorable then the thugs will appeal.
I have faith in this judge. If he loves the Constitution and rules on that basis, she nailed it.
I actually love everything she said. Maybe the judge will too. It could have been any one of us pleading for redress. Bless her.
>>> Oookay. So, they can find something out now that they couldn’t find out before because the MTD has no merit? Is that it?
Thats the core of the arguments surrounding the notion that so far, the plaintiffs in this case and in others have been denied legal redress for “political” reasons.... when the courts should be above politics.
IOW, I think they were saying that the MTD is politically motivated, and has no basis in law.
>>> Parts of it, but I don’t think Keyes would have used the phrase “Truth, Justice and the American Way”..or would he?
I’ve heard him say it more than once.
The hypothetical slavery argument was also a giveaway.
Since the law today is anything the judges want it to be, the merits of the argument are irrelevant. But good luck anyway.
>>> I have faith in this judge. If he loves the Constitution and rules on that basis, she nailed it.
Well, I hope you are right... but if we are wrong, and politics trumps law yet again, be rest assured that judges will soon change their tune when innocent people start glowing on US soil.
I do remember listening to Plains Radio when Leo had his case at SCOTUS. They brought on Orly and Gary Kreep. This is before those tow had a falling out.
Orly was very complimentary towards Leo and thanked him. She and Leo are not your standard attorneys but they are both very smart. I would bet she and Leo talked as this was drafted.
22 Days
He was wounded so badly that they were starting to put him a body bag, when they realized he was still alive. He was in a hospital for a year recuperating from his wounds.
In researching him, I've come across lots of cases of praise, by and for him, in conjunction with Veterans groups and former South Vietnamese military and their children. One story, related by the Son of a South Vietnamese pilot who spent twelve years in "re-education camps" told of Carter giving his father the oath of naturalization. That son is/was a Major in the USMC reserves.
The Speech he gave at the Khe Sanh Memorial on 21 Jan 2008. It was good to see you Eugene, and thank you for your service to our nation. Were you able to obtain the marvelous speech from Judge Carter? My late father was in the Vietnamese Air Force's 2nd Fighter Squadron which was formed in 1961 with the help of Farmgate.
www.phamvanhoa.com
He was very proud of his service and his USAF affiliation. As one of the first 15 US-trained South Vietnamese pilots, he was winged in 1959 at Reese AFB in Lubbock then flew T28s, A1s, C47s, AC47s, C123s, and C130s and was a graduate of the Air Commando School at Hurlburt in 1966. I have a picture of Judge Carter and my father from 1999 at his citizenship ceremony in LA, a proud moment in his life as he was grateful to America for taking care of his family while he sur- vived 12 years in reeducation camps. Regards, Quang X. Pham, Maj USMC Reserves
By this time I would think Orly would have a fairly extensive attorney ghostwriting team behind her helping draft important filings such as this one.
I also wonder if Carter is getting some unofficial heat from certain quarters— both carrot and stick in nature (not saying he would accept it)...
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