Posted on 09/21/2009 11:24:37 AM PDT by jazusamo
The shameful siege of Honduras continues. In the past few weeks, the United States has cut more than $30 million in non-humanitarian aid, suspended most visa services and sided with Venezuela, Cuba and other of Latin America's worst dictatorships in undermining democracy. Meanwhile, the people of Honduras are desperately trying to maintain their freedom and prevent the return of a regime that Washington is committed to forcing down their throats.
The United States rushed to the wrong side of this issue when former Honduran President Manuel Zelaya was ousted on June 28, and since then it has reinforced a bad policy. Rather than seek means of mitigating the crisis, the United States clings obdurately to demands that Mr. Zelaya be returned to power. The "San Jose process," a peace initiative brokered by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias that the United States supports, would place Mr. Zelaya in office to serve out the rest of his term, which ends in January. But the Honduran government - all of it, the president, Congress and the Supreme Court - has determined that Mr. Zelaya's ouster was a legal response to his illegal attempts to rig a referendum to establish himself as president for life. This scheme followed the model of Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez.
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Taking a stand against a constitutionally mandated, free and fair election is a statement from the Obama administration that Mr. Zelaya - the would-be autocrat - is the administration's man, right or wrong. The Honduran people be damned.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Obama is supporting tyranny.
Make no mistake: It is what this triple-effed bastard wants. We have -- with ZERO room for error -- the first American Hitler.
I can only apologize to the Hondurans and explain this is a temporary infestation of our government.
I’ll agree with everything but not making a mockery of it, he’s doing that too.
I believe this is deliberate by Obama. He is a friend of far-left dictators.
The Honduran Congress and Courts both ordered the military to remove Zeyala, and replaced him with a member of his same party. It would be like Congress and SCOTUS voting to remove Obama and replace him with Pelosi.
No doubt in my mind you're correct.
They may not call it that, but the Hondurans basically impeached Zeyala.
Obummer wants him back in there ‘cause he doesn’t want this impeachment thing catching on in the Western Hemisphere...
We have to impeach the SOB before he starts another world war.
Obama: ally of every scumb*g commie thug on earth.
Obama is only interested in supporting people like him ... thugs.
Obama: “The enemy of my country is my friend.” (OK, this assumes that Obama was born in and is President of the USA.)
That's the truth!
Man...all of those words could have been summed up into this nice shell... “Obama is a bastard”.
There..all done.
Well put, I agree.
You have to understand the O’s reasoning. The only reason there is a functioning Democracy in Honduras, is because in the 1980’s we prevented El Salvador’s Commie thugs from from exporting their socialist utopia to Honduras, and did so with the help of the Hondurans themselves (not to mention they allowed us to use Honduras as a base to fight Noriega). Therefore, the current Honduran govt is illegitimate, and Zelaya was just trying to create the kind of socialist paradise that would have occurred naturally if the U.S. had not interfered 25 years ago.
Zelaya was trying to get around term limits (in Honduras, one term only) in order to become President for life like Castro and Hugo Chavez. Obama is looking ahead to 2016 when he wants to get around the US version of term limits.
Bump!
ping
from HotAir:
This was a legal removal of a president that was in violation of the Honduran Constitution.
Zelaya’s actions over 5 months had been in blantant disregard for the Honduran Constitution, which he sought to rewrite, the Honduran Supreme Court, which he has undermined, the Honduran Congress, which he has tried to delegitimize, his own party that has resisted Hugo Chavez, and 72% of the Honduran public, that feel disenfranchised by Zelaya. This was not a coup. Zelaya was legally removed by the military at the request of the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Supreme Court that have the following two articles of the Honduran Constitution as the legal authority to do so
ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Designado.
El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos, y quedarán inhabilitados por diez años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.
TRANSLATION Article 239 The citizen that has been the head of the Execute Branch cannot be President or Vice-President (again).
Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.ARTICULO 205.- Corresponden al Congreso Nacional las atribuciones siguientes:
15. Declarar si ha lugar o no a formación de causa contra el Presidente
20. Aprobar o improbar la conducta administrativa del Poder Ejecutivo, Poder Judicial y
TRANSLATION - Article 205 - Congress has the following authority:
15 To indict the President
20 To approve or disapprove of the administrative conduct of the Execurive Branch, …
The Republic of Honduras had the constutional right to remove Zelayas from office. It was not done without consideration of the constitution or without trying every other means available to them to avoid the drastic step of removing their presisent. It was no secret that Chavez was supporting Zalayas efforts to extend his presidency and why he would do so.
The military, which also has the role of a national police force, carried out the orders of the Hondarian Supreme Court and the Hondurian Congress and not without review of the law to insure that what they were doing under those orders was legal and called for.
The big questions are; Where in this does Obama see a coop and what interpertation is he applying to their constitutional laws? and a second question; Why is he supporting a legally removed presidents efforts to regain by rebellion the control of a country and establish a democratic (in name only) dictatatorship based on Chavez’s socailism which now grips Venezuela?
There is no definitive answer to those questions because Obama tries not to have direct involvement in anything that might be controversal. However, he did something unusal by getting personally involved with assisting the legally removed and exiled former president and supported then and now his being returned to power.
My opinion is that this hits close to home for him in some way. From his statements, he revels a disrequard of the authority of a constitution and its estabishment of the rule of law. He demonstrates support for the establisment of a socialist state replacing a democratic Republic and it can be assumed, with replacement of opposition in the manner that it was in Venezuela. It also shows the close relationship that Obama has with Chavez and his willingness to support his dictatorship.
With observance of his reaction or inaction to the Iranian election and recognistion with little requard to the question of legitimacy of the results of that election; there is the creation of even greater concern as to Obama’s potential intentions. Was he watching to see how they handled the disinfranchised voters rebellion? When the rebellion was put down, he was not hesitent to recognize the new governement with no concern of its legitmancy.
We have watched him nationalize industries and banks under the cover of saving them and all the while using the nationalzation to advance his control and support of his agenda. Most important on that agenda is his healthcare. Since 1944 the socilist and communist have been declaring that a nationalized healthcare system was the best way to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism. They see the potential to gain control in this way because it is hard for a population to have healthcare and yet deny it to those that need it, but can not afford it. They have also said that once nationalized healthcare is in place, it has the ability to go everywhere eles within the government. This is the key reason that nationlized healthcare is crucial to Obama. It is the foundation that must be in place to build his socialism. Without it he will have a more difficult time. He will do anything to get at least some of it passed to open the door to passing the provisions that could not be passed earlier.
Chavez’s control of Venezuela, the Hondurian constitutional problem, the Iranian election rebellion could all be lessons for him in achieving his goals. With consideration to his narssissitic personality, those goals are more likely to be a retention of power rather than serveing eight years and retireing. Incase anyone has forgotten, Clinton had his lawyers look for a way that he could run and serve a third term. The Constitution stood in the way of him doing that. Clinton honored the law of the constitution, but will Obama do the same is the question and the answer leans more towards no than yes.
Franklyn on September 21, 2009 at 6:08 PM
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