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To: muawiyah

Rights are negative, not positive.

You have the right to assemble, but not the right to force others into your assembly.

Maybe more Ayn Rand will help you understand this key concept:

“Man’s Rights,” The Virtue of Selfishness, 97.

There is no such thing as “a right to a job”—there is only the right of free trade, that is: a man’s right to take a job if another man chooses to hire him. There is no “right to a home,” only the right of free trade: the right to build a home or to buy it. There are no “rights to a ‘fair’ wage or a ‘fair’ price” if no one chooses to pay it, to hire a man or to buy his product. There are no “rights of consumers” to milk, shoes, movies or champagne if no producers choose to manufacture such items (there is only the right to manufacture them oneself). There are no “rights” of special groups, there are no “rights of farmers, of workers, of businessmen, of employees, of employers, of the old, of the young, of the unborn.” There are only the Rights of Man—rights possessed by every individual man and by all men as individuals.


278 posted on 09/18/2009 4:48:35 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: Palin Republic
I'm sorry, men do have rights as groups ~ for example, there's the very foundation of society we call THE FAMILY.

It's human nature. It's in our God given existence to be a SOCIAL BEING.

In fact, there are two higher level groupings that have considerable bearing on how society and culture are mediated among men. One group consists of the women and children. They gather. They need and maintain permanent campsites. Another group is the men's hunting band. They hunt. They protect the women, children and the elderly. They need the trail to go to the game.

In the old days when life was very difficult the men would go on the hunt all winter and the women and children would stay behind and live on the stored crops and meat. In the Spring when the men's hunting party returned, and someone was missing, they would remarry with all new wives.

The Iriquois were doing this right down to the 1600s which is why we know we were doing this.

The foundational creation myth of the Sa'ami, the ancestors of tens of millions of Americans, says that in the Spring a young man comes to stay with Herb Woman and she becomes his wife, and he her husband. In the Fall he returns to the herd ~ the reindeer ~ and runs in the ice and snow away from the wolves.

I'm pretty sure that's the truth because that's pretty much the way life occurred for most Sa'ami and all Skolt Sa'ami for thousands of years.

It was the Way they lived and the Way they survived in the Great Ice Age at the foot of the glaciers.

As I said, it's built in ~ and as men or women we have rights that extend beyond those which may be exercised by a single individual.

279 posted on 09/18/2009 5:08:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Palin Republic
Rights are negative, not positive. You have the right to assemble, but not the right to force others into your assembly.

That sounds like a positive and a negative to me. I thought it was Obama who believed in negative rights.

281 posted on 09/18/2009 5:33:50 PM PDT by FreeReign
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