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To: spunkets; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; metmom; MrB; GodGunsGuts

No. Creation is only a subset of reality. Reality includes all that is.


Nope...exactly backwards logic: reality is a subset of creation. (see my tagline).

Look at it this way...I have a woman now that’s 98 and hallucinating. It’s very real to her, she even talks to a fellow by the name of Paul in her room that’s not there. She even understands she’s hallucinating and asks if he and certain other peole, things, events are real...

anyway, it’s clear that the hallucinations are not reality, and we and even she understands this. Dreams could just as well fall under this category, as well as liberal thinking.

Nevertheless, the hallucinations or...NON-reality she experiences are present, existing outside reality, just like dreams, liberal logic, etc. are all experienced and all are a subset of God’s creation.

Reality must be interfaced with via intelligence in order to define it, experience it, measure it, etc...and like our mind, reality is given to us by our creator.

God could have chosen to remain alone in His reality, thus only HE would experience reality via His mind, but if He were not in existence, there would BE no reality, as it were.

There is nothing greater than God, certainly nothing in His own creation is greater than God and reality as humans are able to understand it, is a subset of His wonderful creation.

Nothing is greater than or “above” God. Nothing outside God exists without His creating it. Reality is fully and wholly dependent on God, not the other way around.


75 posted on 09/16/2009 3:11:01 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther
Re: No. Creation is only a subset of reality. Reality includes all that is.

" Nope...exactly backwards logic: reality is a subset of creation."

If your claim was true, then God's not real. ... but you knew that: "God could have chosen to remain alone in His reality, thus only HE would experience reality via His mind, but if He were not in existence, there would BE no reality, as it were."

"see my tagline: Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation."

Science is a rational method created by a sentient rational being that's used to know and understand physical reality.

"the hallucinations or...NON-reality she experiences are present, existing outside reality, just like dreams, liberal logic, etc. are all experienced and all are a subset of God’s creation."

God did not create dreams, or anyone else's thoughts, or actions. They belong to and are created by the individual that gave rise to and caused them.

"Reality is fully and wholly dependent on God, not the other way around."

The physics of God's world provide for the machinery of the sentient rational being that He is. The physics of this world that He gave rise to, provided the physical machinery that provided for the functions of sentient rational being in this world. That included His own functions in the person of Jesus.

79 posted on 09/16/2009 3:43:34 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: tpanther
There is nothing greater than God, certainly nothing in His own creation is greater than God and reality as humans are able to understand it, is a subset of His wonderful creation.

Nothing is greater than or “above” God. Nothing outside God exists without His creating it. Reality is fully and wholly dependent on God, not the other way around.

Indeed.

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear tpanther!

97 posted on 09/16/2009 9:27:36 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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