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Retail sales jump 2.7% in August on widespread gains (Sales down 5.3% compared to a year earlier)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 9/15/2009 | Rex Nutting

Posted on 09/15/2009 6:22:00 AM PDT by tobyhill

U.S. retail sales rose a seasonally adjusted 2.7% in August, the biggest increase in more than three years, boosted by government subsidies for cars, higher gas prices, and busy crowds at the malls, the Commerce Department estimated Tuesday.

Sales were stronger than the 2.3% expected by economists surveyed by MarketWatch, largely because of widespread sales gains outside the gas stations and the auto lots. See Economic Calendar.

Sales are down 5.3% compared with a year earlier. The figures are adjusted for seasonal differences, but not for price changes. Read the full government report.

The strong August sales will probably boost consumer spending in the third quarter, and help the economy grow for the first time in more than a year, economists say. But some worry that the economy remains too dependent on government largesse, including fiscal stimulus and ultra-loose monetary policy.

Consumer spending is likely to be sluggish going forward, with the unemployment rate heading toward 10% and families still struggling to pay off debts accumulated during the bubble years.

(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...


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1 posted on 09/15/2009 6:22:01 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Can anybody believe government numbers anymore? I don’t.


2 posted on 09/15/2009 6:25:09 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, O'Riley! I'd rather be a CRACKER than a CASPAR.)
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To: tobyhill

Wait until you see the 4th quarter numbers.

Then again, we may see, cash for refrigerators, cash for used underwear, cash for carpeting, cash for televisions, cash for am radios, et al.


3 posted on 09/15/2009 6:27:39 AM PDT by kingpins10
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To: tobyhill

This is just the back to school sales numbers.


4 posted on 09/15/2009 6:29:10 AM PDT by rllngrk33 (0bama, proof we can no longer underestimate the stupidity of the voters.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I agree, did you notice this is an “estimate?”


5 posted on 09/15/2009 6:29:16 AM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: rllngrk33

coupled with the cash for clunkers. They clustered it just right to get this bounce. It makes it sound like every sector is up. Auto, Malls, Gas, etc. Even with all these boosts, sales still off 5.3 percent from last august. No good way to see this, but they will spin spin spin.


6 posted on 09/15/2009 6:34:42 AM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does not mean equal OUTCOME!!)
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To: tobyhill

School supplies didn’t account for any of that did it? Nope, just good ole economy ‘turning from the brink’. Yay Obama. /s


7 posted on 09/15/2009 6:35:18 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: tobyhill

What are the numbers excluding auto’s and gas? Cash for Clunkers is a huge portion of this increase and it is now gone...


8 posted on 09/15/2009 6:36:32 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: tobyhill

As expected it is better than expected. We expect it may be worse than expected by Obama who expected 4% growth for the next ten years. I expect that the expected growth will be worse than expected and the deficit worse than Obama expected.


9 posted on 09/15/2009 6:41:41 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Can anybody believe government numbers anymore? I don’t.

I believe that the numbers are correct, but they don't accurately reflect what's going on....if that makes any sense.

For instance - spending is up for August, but the Gov't also pumped 3 Billion into the car market to juice sales. They won't do this every month, and it's inaccurate to assume that they will.

The piece downplayed the real stat - year-over-year spending is down 5+%, even WITH the gov't pumping up the markets. That's pretty darn significant, and it's not good.

I'm thinking that this is going to be a long winter.

10 posted on 09/15/2009 6:46:43 AM PDT by wbill
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I agree. Here in NC there was a dash to get expensive items before the “emergency, temporary” 1% sales tax increase. When my hub went to get our new phones the store was packed. (our last emergency, temporary sales tax increase of .25% is still in effect).


11 posted on 09/15/2009 7:01:39 AM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: tobyhill

“Retail sales jump 2.7% in August on widespread gains (Sales down 5.3% compared to a year earlier)”

G*ddamn laughable.

Sales went up 2.7% as they went down 5.3% ........ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeeeeeeez


12 posted on 09/15/2009 7:04:31 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: tobyhill

Duh!

School is back in session; clothes, supplies, that was bound to give a little bump.


13 posted on 09/15/2009 7:19:51 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: tobyhill
"The figures are adjusted for seasonal differences, but not for price changes."...

A little more detail...

Excluding motor vehicles and parts (b/c of cash for clunkers program), sales increased 1.1 percent in August after falling 0.5 percent in July. However, PPI rose 1.7% in August. How much of sales increase is just reflecting higher prices?
14 posted on 09/15/2009 7:32:10 AM PDT by FlyingFish
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To: momincombatboots; wbill; moose2004

This is probably going to be a 1930’s style Christmas for much of America.

But if we have our families, our faith, and our country, we don’t need a lot of extra stuff to have a great holiday.


15 posted on 09/15/2009 7:51:49 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, O'Riley! I'd rather be a CRACKER than a CASPAR.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Re: Christmas.

The best Christmases that I've had, are the ones where my family didn't have much.

Nothing wrong with a good meal and family time.

We've already all decided that this Christmas will be "for the kids". Adults might get a little something to open - I usually try to find Mom and Dad something, erm, "Consumable" that they like....but otherwise, no real gifts exchanged.

We'll eat well, though. I'm already looking forward to that. :-)

16 posted on 09/15/2009 8:54:02 AM PDT by wbill
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Sales went up 2.7% as they went down 5.3% <.i>

On a related note Fannie Mae shares were up 200% in Aug!
(From $0.50 to $1.50)

17 posted on 09/15/2009 10:05:39 AM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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