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To: seanmerc
We fought hard to give the GOP all 3 Houses, because they promised smaller government, borders, etc. We got virtually nothing. Unless and until they can assure that there will be no repeat... and simple WORDS will not be enough, making their task Herculean... there is no reason to work hard for their success. It is THEY who must change, or else I'll find another party to vote for. Call it “third party” or whatever you want, it won't be MY fault for getting more Lefties. It's the GOPs fault for failing to live up to their promises, and for doing nothing after we held up our end of the deal.
359 posted on 09/14/2009 10:21:31 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

Er, responsibility is not something that can be handed off; you do not excuse yourself from consequences by claiming that the responsibility lies with someone else.

I.e., its always your fault, you can’t evade it. Even if the choice is between bad and worse, you are morally required to make that choice.

“We” got 8 years of less-bad government than we are getting now. In fact, without a war we would probably have had a balanced budget in 2006 and 2007; and barring 9/11 we would probably have had one for at least three years.

And what would a Democratic President, House & Senate have done with the war, anyway ?


376 posted on 09/14/2009 10:36:26 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Teacher317
"We fought hard to give the GOP all 3 houses, because they promised smaller government, borders, etc. We got virtually nothing."

Worth repeating. This thread should be sent to the GOP

Rush makes the point that the Republican party is being controlled by elitist country club blue bloods-But we're supposed to vote for a RINO? Is that what he's saying?

IMO if the Republican party continues to promote RINO'S, while sabotaging conservatives in upcoming elections- they will lose anyway.

Isn't one of the Alinsky's strategies to blur the differences between two sides of an issue- so that nothing is clear? RINO's play right into that don't they?

It's all fine and good to say "take the Republican party back"--How? Maybe it can't be done. Maybe those blue blood elitists have too much money and power?

Personally I think America is sick to death of both parties. They are corrupt and out for their own interests. Neither one appears to give a damn about the average American. Disagree? Then explain the quote at the top of this post?

Want tin foil theories? McCain was run to throw the election to Obama. McCain was upset with Palin because she almost succeeded in carrying his carcass into the winner's circle.

More Foil:

Why did Fox News cover the Tea Party Express all the way to D.C. then barely cover (downplay) the 1 or possibly 2 million people there 9/12? (C-SPan had the best coverage.)

The previous examples beg the question of just how entrenched the "special interests" are. Anybody want to talk trillion dollar bailouts for bankers done by both parties?

Maybe a third party is not such a bad idea? How about we just leave all the corruption and special interest BS behind, and start new?

Ronald Reagan was able to get democrats and independents to vote for him because he was "the real thing". He knew exactly what he believed in, and why. He was able to communicate those beliefs to the people- regardless of party affiliation. Reagan made sense. He made people think. He was charismatic, and articulate. He did not win-IMO because he was a republican.

(He did say third parties are a bad idea in general, but, would he say that today?)

IMO-conservatives should not rule out leaving, and forming a third party .

They need to take an honest, fearless, unflinching, look at the republican party, and ask if there is any place for conservatives in it?

Can a conservative win a primary in the republican party, as it is today? Or, will they always be defeated, and/or sabotaged by blue blood, elitist RINO's ?

If the answer to that question appears to be "No"- then they might have to leave. -In which case they must heed the warning of Reagan about third parties-i.e. becoming more divided and causing defeat for anyone with at least some of our values/ also handing victory to the radical left.

Whatever conservatives decide to do- they need to do it "all in" i.e. either every conservative leaves to form a new party, or every conservative stays to fight.

(1/2 way efforts won't work and will result in what Reagan predicted -further division, exc.)

Have to admit that at the moment, it seems more pleasing to envision a new party with clearly articulated ideas and charismatic articulate candidates (Palin, Wilson, Pence), winning upcoming elections, than it is to imagine having to deal with the boatloads of crap the RNC, and entrenched, RINO's are going to dish out in the coming months, in trying to serve themselves, and line their bank accounts.

( I'm just so very sick of them. I join other FReepers on this thread in saying they are going to have to earn my vote. I wonder if they have any idea of how much damage they've done to themselves in the last election by rigging it for the ultimate RINO McCain? Not voting RINO = another four years of radical king O? "So what!" I say. At least you RINO'S will be out on your a$$es suffering with the rest of us peasants. Have I given you a clue GOP?)

Whatever happens- I say my prayers for our nation every night. It's all in His hands- come what may.

449 posted on 09/15/2009 3:42:11 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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