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To: PugetSoundSoldier

China is the one nation on earth which can quite literally produce us into oblivion.

Every other adversary America has ever faced, could be out-innovated and out-produced.

China is (as you know) four times our size. We have now made the monumental mistake of sending what used to be the Arsenal of Democracy to COMMUNISTS.

China will not give any of that back.

So we should just stop importing and build it all again here.

We really have no other choice.

The current situation will destroy America.


80 posted on 09/11/2009 8:46:00 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (PALIN / BECK 2012.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Build it ALL here? Can you imagine how much a car would cost if it had to use parts that were all made in union shops? How ‘bout a cell phone? Add all those union wages to all those parts to all those products and see what we get.


85 posted on 09/11/2009 8:50:02 PM PDT by dcgst4
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
China is the one nation on earth which can quite literally produce us into oblivion.

False. I live and work in both countries, in the same industry that is about manufacturing (consumer electronics, specifically acoustics).

The US still makes more than China; our manufacturing base is shrinking not because of China, but because our Government and our populace have decided that "manufacturing is evil" and that "profit is bad".

We can stay ahead of China indefinitely, if we had the political willpower to do so. And you don't get that by cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Every other adversary America has ever faced, could be out-innovated and out-produced.

We still do - we out produce AND out-innovate China, Japan, Singapore, and Taiwan. US and EU engineers thrive in Asia because they earn MORE than they could in their home countries; the companies in Asia will pay more because they want the culture and personality that is REQUIRED for innovation.

You CANNOT teach innovation; it is inherent, it is cultural. You know why Japan took 40 years to get to a decent level of innovation (and still lags the US)? Because of the Asian culture of "never question your superior". You cannot question your boss, or even your peers. That is not accepted.

Innovation and creation comes from conflict between people. Problems are identified, discussed, argued about, solutions raised and trashed. It is a creative, contentious process.

THAT culture simply does not exist in any meaningful state in Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand. The countries in Asia that manufacture. It's not here. And neither is innovation.

China is (as you know) four times our size.

IN people, yes. In terms of resources and land mass, no. In terms of economy or innovation, not even close.

We have now made the monumental mistake of sending what used to be the Arsenal of Democracy to COMMUNISTS.

Here's a hint: China's NOT Communist. How about you tell me what you think is Communist about China, what policies are here that are Communist.

I can tell you - directly - that China's about as Communist as the US, and while the US is getting more Communist, China is getting less so.

China will not give any of that back.

Do you blame them? Should we give back all that we gained from other nations? NO! Keep what you have, and try to get more.

And try to innovate and create faster than the next guy.

If you build something, and sell it, then you have already given your competitors - whether they be individuals or companies or countries - your ideas and innovation. They can take it apart, study it, learn from it. You've let the cat out of the bag.

The ONLY way to continue to win is to out-innovate your competition. And that is EXACTLY what the US Government and populace are fighting against. Penalizing success, belittling the engineers and creators, stifling new businesses.

Our failures are not because of China; they are because of ourselves.

So we should just stop importing and build it all again here.

Fine. You first. What cell phone will you get next? What computer? TV? Any consumer electronics. Cars. Tires. Clothes. Medical supplies.

Because I hate to break it to you, we import ALL those, and in many cases we have NO CHOICE but to import because we simply do not have the natural resources here.

The current situation will destroy America.

I agree, but the issue isn't importing product from China; the issue is stifling our own domestic production base, and eliminating the US populace's desire to innovate and work.

96 posted on 09/11/2009 9:03:16 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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