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To: Snurple; Shooter 2.5
"Glocks just suck, plain and simple, and people who dont accept that fact are idiots, or no nothing about firearms."

You know... You are entitled to your opinion. Just like everyone else on this forum... But when you want to call your opinion the facts, you just reveal yourself to be acting childishly. Especially when you decide to call anyone that disagrees with your opinion an "idiot."

If you want to have a debate about Glocks, then do so based upon facts. So far you've used descriptors such as "just suck" and "idiot."

Between 70-83% of U.S. law enforcement agencies use Glocks... All of the weapons a department issues are selected based upon reliability trials and ease of operation. The folks that make recommendations as to what weapon is to be selected by the department are most often the firearms instructors of that agency. If you think that you know (and by the way, the correct spelling is k-n-o-w instead of n-o, check your post) more than all of the instructors of these agencies then you are really something. It must get tiresome lugging around that big ego of yours.

Did you ever carry a Glock or a 1911 in combat or on patrol duty? What is the basis for your analysis? It's easy to say "It's (the 1911) proven." So provide the proof that a 1911 is better than a Glock under all circumstances. You see, I've seen 1911's on the range and in combat that would suffer from "failure to feeds", "failure to ejects", and "stovepipe jams". I've seen it happen with $3,500 race gun 1911s, and with old, rattling, "just bought it at the pawn shop for $300" 1911s. The "Tap, Rack, Ready" drill was invented on the 1911 long before the Glock ever existed. In fact, I've seen just about every modern day pistol jam at some point on the range or in combat." Some more than others - but all of them jam sooner or later. I'm not saying the 1911 is not a good handgun - in fact I own a couple of them. But your calling the 1911 the AK47 of handguns and using the mud puddle claim reveals just exactly how much you know about 1911's. Is the 1911 a reliable handgun? Yes, absolutely, when properly maintained... But no, you can't fill it full of mud from a mud puddle and have it continue to function flawlessly. Our local sheriff's department demonstrates the Glock's reliability by running over it several times with a patrol car and then picking it up and sending a full magazine down range with it. Does that mean that no other pistol can do that? No, but then there are some with external controls that might not be able to... I think you have read too many biased reports, because real life operations reveal another story.

If you want to debate the "Negligent Discharges" of 1911 versus Glocks, then we would have to know how many sloppy operators are using 1911s versus Glocks. No gun fires itself... Sloppy operation or failure to properly secure the weapon are the causes of "ADs", "NDs" or "UD's" - whatever you want to call them. Sloppy operation does not equate to a poorly engineered or manufactured firearm.

And as far as people that don't accept that Glocks suck KNOWING nothing about firearms, I find that interesting... Especially since I have acted as an instructor for the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association's Annual Training Conference on numerous occasions. And then there is the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors Association's Annual Training Conferences - I've taught there on several occasions as well. I guess someone forgot to tell these international associations that people that like Glocks don't know anything about firearms.

I will not waste anymore time on you unless you care to back up what you say with facts rather than opinion.

Raven6

119 posted on 09/12/2009 11:51:21 AM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: Raven6

Good luck with your glock. What else can I say?


120 posted on 09/12/2009 12:07:03 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Raven6

Good post and accurate.

I was taught by Jeff Cooper and you simply didn’t mention Glocks during the instruction. That was a serious breach of etiquette.

On the other hand, the FrontSight school issued Glock 17’s as part of their instruction and I had no problem adjusting.

I don’t care for Glocks. I like a little more personality with my guns. One gun that is a favorite and very much liked is horribly ugly but for some reason, it has a beautiful quality that must have cost more than the original price.

The use of plastic is regrettable. I don’t care for it and it’s sad to see instead of honest steel.

Glocks can be dangerous in the hands of a beginner, especially if they are too lazy to buy a holster. Beginners have to learn to keep their fingers off the trigger.

In order for something to be labeled junk, IN MY OPINION, the object doesn’t work, it wasn’t designed to work and no amount of safety can keep the operator from harm. Glocks don’t fit that description by any stretch of the imagination.


123 posted on 09/13/2009 12:19:45 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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